LD Test and 12

I have had an LD with this one besides having LD's with both presets - good luck with your LD'ing. Try to WILD while listening to this one and then sleep with it too.

ClarkKent

Submitted: 13-Feb-2004 by ClarkKent
Download preset: LD_Test_and_12.bwg

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14-Feb-2004, (unknown)

Thanks, I'm gonna try this. What does WILD mean by the way :)?

14-Feb-2004, Clark

WILD = Wake-Induced Lucid Dream - a lucid dream you induce from a waking state by keeping your consciousness active while you fall asleep (mind awake, body sleeping) e.g. by counting 1..I'm dreaming,2..I'm dreaming, etc. For information on the subject, try either reading Exploring the world of lucid dreaming by Dr Laberge, or visit www.ld4all.com and www.lucidity.com. Especially read the 'big wild topic' threads on www.ld4all.com forums.

15-Feb-2004, Nightcom

Ah, thanks for the info! Appreciate it :)

interesting will try. combingin with calea zacatechi chi (spelling?) and melatonin 1mg. peace

18-Feb-2004, Glen

Isn't a wake-induced lucid dream essentially the same as an OOBE or an astral projection? I was of the understanding that an OOBE or astral projection is a lucid dream where you are conscious for the entire time.

21-Feb-2004, toglen

no quite. AP and lucid dreaming are essentially 2 different things.

(I'm posting this on both the "LD Test" and "LD Test and 12" message boards, since it concerns both presets. Please post any replies under the more recent "LD Test and 12" thread.) I very rarely dream (if I can't remember anything, I don't count it as dreaming). Usually, I would be lucky to have one dream a week, and it would usually be very incoherent, with almost no rational thoughts present... dreaming for me was always a passive experience, like watching a movie. The very first time I used LD test, I experienced what seemed like several hours of extremely clear and coherent dreaming... I was actively thinking and making decisions in my dreams! This is a huge step forward for me. LD test has consistently produced similar results... I've opened up a whole new world for myself! One strange effect I have experienced is that I always wake up halfway through the night, a few hours after the preset has finished playing. When I fall back to sleep, I go straight back into having those super clear and coherent dreams. It seems to set off a chain reaction of effects that continue throughout the entire night. Since Clark has also found LD test to be very effective, I thought I would try his "LD Test and 12" preset. It also consistently induces very clear and coherent dreams (though no "lucid" dreams... a misnomer if you ask me! In the English language, lucid means "clear and coherent"), but I invariably wake up about five to ten minutes after the preset has finished playing! I guess that's the effect of too many alpha waves... I'm now working on a dream induction preset that uses associative techniques to induce lucid dreams or dreams with premeditated themes. I've had some success, but nothing consistent... could just be a placebo effect. Is anybody interested in working on this with me? Does anybody have any advice on how to use LD Test to induce LUCID dreams? e.g., what should I think of as I'm falling asleep? Obnuntiator "The true prophecies are the darkest ones."

Glen: LD and OOBE are different things, but I think you can use LD to achieve OOBE. (But I wasn't very successful yet.)

That depends on what you believe. Personally, I measure every experience as having a certain degree of synchronization with the "real" world (i.e., the world of collective experience). Dreams and the imagination are characterized by a certain "unreal" feeling or sense that I believe is a function of your lack of synchronization with collective experience. Now, since experiences that seem less "real" often seem less clear or intense, people associate clarity and intensity with reality, but I believe this is a mistake. I believe experiences in the mind can be just as vivid and intense as collective experience. The only difference is that they lack the sense of synchronization with the collective (which, theoretically, should not detract from the quality of the experience). The important thing is being able to distinguish between a sense of clarity/intensity and a separate sense of "reality."

obnuntiator: Thanks for that view!

24-Feb-2004, Clark

Well to induce LUCID dreams (LD's) I generally try to WILD by counting 1..I'm dreaming, 2...I'm dreaming, until I fall asleep. It helps to have set the intention. But it isn't always successful, of course. And breaks are required for me at least - breaks from playing presets (at least one day).

Alright then, WILD it is. I'll try it tonight. I've successfully induced dreams with premeditated themes using an association technique, but I can only experiment once a night at best, and I've been following Clark's advice and taking breaks. Anyone interested in joining me in testing this out? If it works, it (or an improvement on it) might be valuable for helping other people like me achieve lucidity. Obnuntiator

Maybe I should explain the technique a little better: I associate an idea with a certain sound, then go to sleep with a dream induction preset that will play that sound after inducing a dream. The sound hopefully reminds me of the idea while I'm dreaming.

26-Feb-2004, lampiao

Waow!!!I tried this preset last night...I should say it is the first preset that produce so much effect...maybe it is because i used bwg a lot during the day... So i started with a very quick relaxation, then focused on the sounds...the background is wonderful...little by little, background was turning into voices...it was exactly as if i was filtering frequencies to make voices appear...and the voice kept telling me something. I had also good mental vision. Once i understood was the voice was telling me and took a decision about it, i felt like a quick transition in my mind, and the voice said something different...I understood it like a kind of introspection... Then, i felt that my chin was out of my body and i was lighter...i felt i could have an OOBE but did'nt want to pursue, i'm too new to the field, use bwg since 2 days, so was cautious... Then i felt something solid in my mouth, like a thumb or a breast...and i 'know' what i had to do with it. I 'directed' the thumb in the roof of my mooth then pressed very hard. At one point, something burst, i felt like a huge orgasm, my body contracted, i felt a rush of energy coming from the down of my back and saw tousands of colored stars....waow, wonderful. Then, I opened my eyes, and saw some colors in the dark. I felt like i had to follow these colors, then pushed hard toward them...at this point, in a fraction of seconds, i felt like my body twisted on itself form right to left...weird After that, no memories, and wake up in the morning without my earphones...??? So lots of surprises. If anyone had similar experiences or explanations, please tell me :-)) Thanks for this preset!

this causes insomnia, very very uncomfortable insomnia where you feel like you're going to doze off any minute and then your mind spins and you're up again, VERY MISERABLE! And frightening because you just don't know what kind of damage its doing to your brain!

03-Mar-2004, Clark

I've never had insomnia from the use of any bwgen preset. It might be that you're worried about the use of bwgen, and that keeps you awake. Just let go and relax.

05-Mar-2004, concerned

Clark, it is perhaps true your preset works for som. My message was meant to be a warning to those people who maybe have something to do the next day: "Don't try this unless you have a day off tomorrow" by the way I don't have an insomnia problem. I definitely do believe this brainwave entrainment device does SOMETHING to the mind, that something it does may mean different things for different people. For me, the perceived effect was an extremely uncomfortable exhausted state concomitant with which was a "tingly" feeling in my head and instant awakening whenever I began to doze off. I obviously do not have epilepsy as if I did, I would've died that night! Jeez, can't you people take a little criticism, especially when there are no scientific studies out there that say what's really going on when you use the bwgen. I would not be surprised (and I am saying this about all presets not just yours) if it is someday found that playing around with your "brainwaves" may cause brain damage of some sort. It is not all that different from using drugs.

I agree with some of concerned's comments (is it so hard to use a noun for a name???). Historically, many mind-altering activities have been found to be harmful, but only after many years of popular use (e.g, the use of opium). Indeed, ANY aspect of a person's lifestyle can have unforeseen consequences. At present, brainwave entrainment is a relatively uncommon activity, so if there are any negative long-term effects, they are not as likely to be discovered as the effects of, say, the Atkins diet. But anyway, I'm a risk taker.

I�ve tried this preset last nigth. I�ve already used other presets before, like "Astral Projection", but this preset worked very nice to me. I was Lucid dreams exatly like was mencioned by ClarkKent. I am very skeptical about this subject and very courious too, and i was vwery happy to knows that this works so well. My experience was so intense and so real! But a little scared, becouse i had a nigthmare. But i believe that this happened becouse i was a little stressed. The feelings were like i be awaked but dreamming at same time. My mind tolds me: "You are dreamming, but is awaked!" Well, i recommend, but stay away from this preset if you are stressed. I will try other times to when i be more relaxed and no stressed. WORKS!!! REALLY. IT WORKS! GenauTech.

10-Mar-2004, Clark

I have always said that breaks in using presets make them work better, at least for me. I guess that if you are a very susceptible person (to hypnosis etc) then perhaps presets might affect you badly. However it isn't fair to generalize the way you did, concerned, plus it might be due to other factors besides bwgen.

Clark, what has been your experience with this preset? I have found it less effective than the original LD Test preset, perhaps because the sudden dive in frequency at the end of LD Test causes my brainwaves to desynchronize with the preset, initiating the dreaming. Also, what is the "12" preset you mention?

I was wondering if anyone could educate me on how to burn this preset onto a cd. Since it's 95 minutes and a cd only allows 80 (plus a couple overburn minutes) Can I just change the time of the 90 minute A segment to 75 minutes ? Or do I have to do more ? (My girlfriend is gonna kill me if I move the laptop into the bedroom)

15-Mar-2004, (unknown)

The No 12 preset was an experimental ld preset by Ed Case (he posted a link to it at ld4all.com). Planet, well you can change the lenght but what I do usually is convert the wav into an mp3 (vbr, min 32, max 320 bps) and write that onto a CDRW which I put into my mp3 cd player. I put it on auto-repeat. Yes, I have had LD's with this preset too. As we say, YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary).

21-May-2004, TheChuckster

You could not have had LDs with this preset if you encoded it to an MP3! MP3's are lossy compression which explains why they are much smaller than WAV's which contain all sound data. A great portion of the sound is discarded (that according to theory you would not notice anyways unless you were carefully comparing the MP3 with the original) when you encode an MP3 to a WAVE which means the whole brainwave entrainment process is killed.

24-May-2004, Rage

Haha, It's the believe that does a lot, if you believe you are getting a LD, the chance you get one will increase. Like MILD, MILD means that before you are going to sleep tell yourself you are going to notice you are dreaming, while you tell it you believe in it, don't just say the words, believe in it. When you are in your dream you will notice that you are dreaming, and you will get a Lucid Dream. This works very good on a lot of people, especially when you are new to Lucid Dreaming, you should not try WILD, because its way to hard. It may take years of practising before it works, though others can archieve the same in a few months. But remember, everyone can learn it. (What really helps is setting the alarm after 4,5 hours of sleep, when you wake up, do MILD [or WILD].. this helps a lot because you wake up in your REM and it wil be 10x easier to get a Lucid dream, its called WBTB-MILD/WILD) Have fun

25-May-2004, Clark

Yes I did get LD's and the FAQ's state that you can encode to mp3, the entrainment is KEPT. I'm talking of a high quality VBR mp3, not your regular internet mp3 file. i.e. 320 kbps max and 32 min. It's what works which counts. Try both mp3 and wav and see for yourself if one is any better. WILD isn't way too hard. You can do MILD combined with WILD too, as Laberge says.

10-Jun-2004, (unknown)

Where can I get the background?

16-Jun-2004, Lamer

'when you encode an MP3 to a WAVE which means the whole brainwave entrainment process is killed.' Ya right, you think the sound is like.. dependant on tiny microhertz differences? It's like the ocean man, like rocking a baby, if you hear the 'beat' then it's ok.. the beat does it, not the 400 and 410hz.

16-Jun-2004, Lamer

to add... they used to carry these things on TAPE now didnt they talking bout low quality

22-Jun-2004, Clark

The background is gushing river (nature). See the faq on this site on how to download the extra backgrounds file which includes this one. You can choose any background you prefer.

30-Jun-2004, sphad

hi. my english is poor, sorry. very important that you do NOT use joint stereo mode when you convert wav to mp3 format. only stereo works perfectly. (i use lame encoder) when i burn brainwave sound to cd i burn the original wav file. unnecessary to convert to mp3

01-Jul-2004, Clark

Right about not using joint stereo. I use stereo mode using besweet (which uses lame). mp3's are good if you have a very long wav, or if you want to put more stuff on the same cd.

I get an error with this preset: the file "bgextra.dll#2" containing the background of this prest has not yet been loaded by Brainwave Generator. Please restart and try again Any ideas? HS

Uh...this preset put me to sleep, but it made me do something in my sleep that I will regret for a long, long time. Well...err...I kind of "pooped" my pants, in the period of this lucidity, and it wasn't good, because I was tossing and turning all night, meaning I squished and smeared it all over my bed. Thank you for the temporary loss of control of bowels preset. I have to go get a new mattress now. Love always, Georgey

This preset zapped away my energy. So in the morning i was so tired and was sleeping a long time. yes I didn't get a lot of sleep the other night but i believe this preset did take away my energy. I had some weird dreams, don't remember what they were. But I would wake up in the morning, use the bathroom and go back to bed. I had this feeling like a lot of energy was gone and that i could sleep for a much longer time but also the kind of sleep that's uncomfortable like sleeping too much. This preset does have effects on your dreams, but for me it also took away some energy. Bye

10-Aug-2004, Phil M.

I forgot to add that I only used this for the amout of time given in the preset. I unchecked that certain box so the preset stops when it completes itself. Maybe that had an effect on me?

14-Aug-2004, cob

ROFL.. geogey.. you poor bastard

21-Aug-2004, Clark

I usually loop the preset continually. Of course if I get fed up with it (or any preset) I will switch it off.

i need help with ripping it to CD aswell,are any parts unnessacery for LDing, and does it need to be 90 mins long. (That the time when REM sleep starts right?)

Gonna try this one for the next couple of night and post my experience. To all people talking about MP3's and the quality loss: mp3 encodes by taking 'similar' paterns and writing one, then repeating it wherever needed. The higher the bitrate, the better the quality, meaning: more paterns stored, meaning: watches for patern changes closer. If you encode a wav @ 128kbps or less it is likely that you will loose some data, but deffinately not all, so the preset might still work if it's not too complex with a lot of added noise. If you encode at 192kbps or higher you wont loose much. If you encode at 320 you wont loose anything noticable. To all the peeps that keep bringing up that you do, analyse the mp3 and wav file you get from any given preset. Or read up on mp3 technology :P

I tried this preset last night and remembered a few more dreams than the usual, none of them lucid however. I may try again tonight if I feel like it.

No lucids, but hit some crazy hypnagic auditory that lasted like 5 minutes! It was someone singing.

All I can say is I don't remember the last time I've had such vivid and understandable dreams. Knowing that you're dreaming makes dreaming so much more fun. And as for how I feel today, I woke up wide awake with lots of energy. I will definately be exploring more into LD in the future.

HI !!! I had two LD`s in 1 hour that was amazing.I felt asleep 1am and wokeup 2am.In that short period of time while sleepig I had one dream - I was kissing with my teacher :D (nice chick she is !!) I was feeling her breathe and tongue :D.Umm what an exctasy ;p. The second dream I forgot ;/ but it was too great. I LOVE THIS PRESET AND LD. SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH !!!

13-Feb-2005, Clark

Great feedback, Boozy... Nice to see that it worked for someone.

16-Aug-2006, Clark

I haven't tried this myself recently. I guess it's time to retry it!

24-Sep-2006, anetta1464

While listening to these presets, is it necessary to keep your eyes closed, or can you listen while your eyes are open and walk around the house?

04-Nov-2006, Devoney

Bwgen is all about inducing an altered state of your brainwaves. When you are running and you are listening to a deep thelta preset, it is logical that you do not fall asleep at street (maybe somewhat unfocussed at the traffic). But when you sit down, relax, had a cup of your favorite thee and have a clear state of mind you are likely to fall asleep. So you dont need to do anything. Sit down, dont think with your eyes closed. (dont think does not mean you may not imagine things)

As someone who has meditated Zen style for over 35 years--I don't see how bwgen could "ruin your mind". Meditators are attempting brainwave entrainment. Everything stimilus that you experience in life can affect your brainwaves one way or other. Drugs can alter your biochemical make up (making you sick or dead). Having a knowledge of brain and body functions, I don't see any harm in bwgen. Oh, and aren't these porn spams so lovely! Could someone kill those? :)

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27-Sep-2007, Kraik

This is so darn creepy, this preset gave me a horrible nightmare, I was using very uncomfortable earphones instead of headphones, but I removed them as soon as I woke up (at 2:00 AM) them put them back again later, the dream was kinda vivid, but I couldn't LD. The dream was vivid, so the preset may have done its purpose, I'm still inexperienced when it comes to Lucid Dreaming, maybe I'll have better luck next time.

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