The List "Situation"

Funny, it seems to me that the 'situation' has been over now for a couple
days.  All that's left is a few people discussing how to solve a problem
that has blown over by itself.
So why isn't anyone posting any presets? :-)
Cheers to All,
Tim
At 04:14 PM 3/31/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:31:08 +0300 (EET DST), you wrote:
>
>>Ed
>>
>>>When it is convenient for the MAJORITY of the users,
>>
>>You've taken a vote on this?  Or are you simply assuming that every 
>>right-minded person thinks like you?
>>
>Based on complaints and people unsubscribing from the list, I believe
>it is true. I have received a lot of private email from people who
>agree with me, while I haven't seen a whole lot of people supporting
>your position.

more brain wave stuff

hey yall check this out and tell me if it smells like a rip off or is it just 
me
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/mindvoyages/bmvfeedback.html
-dragon

**Permanent Preset Website**

Dear List,
Here is a permanent site with Bwgen presets and related information.  You
can submit presets to me and I'll put them on the site.  Here is the URL:
http://getit.at/presets
Be sure to click on Readme.html for information about the site.
Enjoy,
Tim

Re: 3.0 suggestions

>Based on complaints and people unsubscribing from the list,
Who, apart from Brandon, do you have in mind?
>I believe it is true.
You can *believe* anything you like, but your belief doesn't make it true.
>I have received a lot of private email from people who
>agree with me,
If people are doing their thing by private mail, how can I see your 
evidence, and how can you see mine?
>while I haven't seen a whole lot of people supporting
>your position.
I genuinely wonder if you have the faintest idea what position I've taken - 
though goodness knows I've repeated it often enough.
And in any case, since you are apparently an authority on what should and 
shouldn't appear on the list, I can only assume that this particular thread 
is entirely relevant - or you wouldn't keep it going, would you?
(I've got a bet with myself that you're &%$�@ enough to reply to this 
message as well!)

New presets

Well here what's in the works from me.
	I have put together a preset made with BGW3 called Aum meditation. There
will be 2 of them. One that ends in sleep or meditation and the other will
bring the person back to normal awake state. It is a complex preset with 10
voices 4 of which carry a binaural beat starting in Beat spectrum and ending
in theta and delta. I put in some complex modulations. It is all based on a
particular harmonic. The lower freq sounds, sound almost like a continuous
Aum chant. Don't ask me to give you a specific run down on all the voice
setting because it would fill a couple of pages.
	The only concern I have is the wave file is rather large. It is 3.6 megs.
It is a Tibetan monk chanting. I up loaded the preset on the BGW forums site
http://www.bwgen.com/forums/  and pointed you to my site for the wave file.
I am finding BGW3 a fantastic tool for preset design. It has so much more
potential for creativity than BGW2 I'm really excited about this. I am going
to do a remake of Shamans Dreams in the near future and hopefully get the
drum beat more accurate. I really wish there was a saw tooth wave available
in a future version Hint Hint ;^)
Sincerely
Roger Amburn

Re: 3.0 suggestions

At 07:16 PM 4/1/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>And in any case, since you are apparently an authority on what should and 
>shouldn't appear on the list, I can only assume that this particular thread 
>is entirely relevant - or you wouldn't keep it going, would you?
From my standpoint, you're BOTH keeping it going.  And it appears that
you're both deriving some kind of pleasure from it (probably some kind of
chest-puffing ego gratification), or else you would both cease immediately.
>(I've got a bet with myself that you're &%$�@ enough to reply to this 
>message as well!)
I rest my case.
As for the rest of us still subscribed, who wants to start a topic relevant
to Bwgen, and simply ignore those who remain off-topic?  Any ideas?  New
presets?
Anyone interested in current presets, you can go here:
http://getit.at/presets
Peace to All,
Tim
-----
The past is memory, the future imaginary.  Be Here Now.
Visit "The Core" Website at http://coresite.cjb.net -
Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
Tim's other pages are at: http://core.vdirect.net.

Re: New presets

Thanks for posting this preset. It is now archived at:
http://getit.at/presets
under the v3.0 Presets folder, as:
Aum_Meditation_v3_Sleep.zip
The file includes instructions on where to get the .wav. 
At 01:08 AM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>Well here what's in the works from me.
>
>	I have put together a preset made with BGW3 called Aum meditation. There
>will be 2 of them. One that ends in sleep or meditation and the other will
>bring the person back to normal awake state. It is a complex preset with 10
>voices 4 of which carry a binaural beat starting in Beat spectrum and ending
>in theta and delta. I put in some complex modulations. It is all based on a
>particular harmonic. The lower freq sounds, sound almost like a continuous
>Aum chant. Don't ask me to give you a specific run down on all the voice
>setting because it would fill a couple of pages.
>
>	The only concern I have is the wave file is rather large. It is 3.6 megs.
>It is a Tibetan monk chanting. I up loaded the preset on the BGW forums site
>http://www.bwgen.com/forums/  and pointed you to my site for the wave file.
>
>I am finding BGW3 a fantastic tool for preset design. It has so much more
>potential for creativity than BGW2 I'm really excited about this. I am going
>to do a remake of Shamans Dreams in the near future and hopefully get the
>drum beat more accurate. I really wish there was a saw tooth wave available
>in a future version Hint Hint ;^)
>Sincerely
>Roger Amburn
-----
The past is memory, the future imaginary.  Be Here Now.
Visit "The Core" Website at http://coresite.cjb.net -
Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
Tim's other pages are at: http://core.vdirect.net.

basic NLP info.

http://www.nlp.org/info.shtml  This is The information link I was looking
for on NLP.  Maybe someone else listed the major website for this which is
www.hypnosis.com .  It also has self hypnosis scripts that one can print
out.  I used some and did not find them useful in the long run.
I used them in conjunction with Bwgen so I hope this does not seem to be off
topic!
Hasn't this gone a bit too far?  Can't we discuss anything but Bwgen?

Re: basic NLP info.

At 08:18 AM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>Hasn't this gone a bit too far?  Can't we discuss anything but Bwgen?
By continuing to talk about it and ask those questions, it just perpetuates
the off-topic discussion.  The only way to end "this" is to ignore "this"
and it will drop off by itself.  Trust me, I've been on the Net since 1995
and I know how these things go.  *JUST IGNORE IT* and continue to post
on-topic.
Peace,
Tim
-----
The past is memory, the future imaginary.  Be Here Now.
Visit "The Core" Website at http://coresite.cjb.net -
Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
Tim's other pages are at: http://core.vdirect.net.

off topic

Just what does "off topic" mean?
Sorry Tim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gerchmez <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, April 02, 2000 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: basic NLP info.
>At 08:18 AM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>
>>Hasn't this gone a bit too far?  Can't we discuss anything but Bwgen?
>
>By continuing to talk about it and ask those questions, it just perpetuates
>the off-topic discussion.  The only way to end "this" is to ignore "this"
>and it will drop off by itself.  Trust me, I've been on the Net since 1995
>and I know how these things go.  *JUST IGNORE IT* and continue to post
>on-topic.
>
>Peace,
>
>Tim
>
>-----
>The past is memory, the future imaginary.  Be Here Now.
>
>Visit "The Core" Website at http://coresite.cjb.net -
>Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
>Tim's other pages are at: http://core.vdirect.net.
>
>
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Re: off topic

At 10:15 AM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>Just what does "off topic" mean?
Uhhm... well, the "topic" of this list is for discussion directly related
to Brainwave Generator, as far as I know.  "Off-topic" would be anything
unrelated to that, including personal vendettas (which probably should be
taken to private Email), arguments on various spiritual topics, etc.
>Sorry Tim.
Why apologize?  Fair enough to ask a question if you don't know the answer.
Peace,
Tim
-----
The past is memory, the future imaginary.  Be Here Now.
Visit "The Core" Website at http://coresite.cjb.net -
Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
Tim's other pages are at: http://core.vdirect.net.

Re: 3.0 suggestions

>>From my standpoint, you're BOTH keeping it going.
Well, of course we are - only now there's three of us!
But only two of us are both complaining AND carrying on.
>And it appears that you're both deriving some kind
>of pleasure from it (probably some kind of chest-puffing
>ego gratification), or else you would both cease
>immediately.
And why, then, since you think our motives so crass, have you joined in?
Presumably for the very reason you attribute to us?
>>(I've got a bet with myself that you're &%$�@ enough to reply to this 
>>message as well!)
>
>I rest my case.
I bet you think you know what "&%$�@" means.
But do you realise that whatever meaning you've arrived at is entirely in 
your head - and not in the mail?

Re: basic NLP info.

Chad wrote:
>>Hasn't this gone a bit too far?  Can't we discuss anything but Bwgen?
Tim G. wrote:
>By continuing to talk about it and ask those questions, it just perpetuates
>the off-topic discussion.  The only way to end "this" is to ignore "this"
>and it will drop off by itself.  Trust me, I've been on the Net since 1995
>and I know how these things go.  *JUST IGNORE IT* and continue to post
>on-topic.
Maybe you didn't understand the question, Tim.
I'm guessing, but I think Chad wanted to explore the possibility of widening 
the discussion *just a little bit* more than simply swapping presets.
Your answer seems to imply that you think that is ALL the list should be about.
Is this correct?
By the way, what do *you* mean by "peace"?

Re: off topic

Chad asked:
>>Just what does "off topic" mean?
Tim G. wrote:
>Uhhm... well, the "topic" of this list is for discussion directly related
>to Brainwave Generator, as far as I know.  "Off-topic" would be anything
>unrelated to that, including personal vendettas (which probably should be
>taken to private Email), arguments on various spiritual topics, etc.
1.  Maybe I've misunderstood something here, but are you saying this is YOUR 
list, Tim, and that you decide what is appropriate and what isn't.  If so, 
why don't you just moderate my messages out?
2.  Surely the reasons people have for using BWGen is of some relevance to 
the list?  I mean, are presets called Aum or Shaman Drums totally neutral?
3.  I think you're quite right about list discussions finding their own 
level.  No matter what flames, deviations from the topic, etc. may occur 
from time to time, the discussions always tend to settle back into their old 
familiar patterns after a while.
Which leaves this question: If *you* knew that all along, why did you feel 
it necessary to join in?  Surely you've ignored your own advice about 
ignoring things until they go away?  Thereby helping to perpetuate the very 
thing you *presumably* wish to avoid. 
Oops!

RE: 3.0 suggestions

I have a difficult idea which I am working on. This is for a preset. I have
been working on the etheric ramifications of brain crossings especially
since one of the children at my school had her corpus callosum cut in
surgery, to no effect I must add in her disposition to epilepsy. I have been
pondering the picture of crossing for quite a while, eg. I have been
watching the sun rise and I can not catch the moment of transition of when
it is a glow on the horizon and then it is there. I have been into this
thought for a long time. I construct all sorts of activities at my school
and find my self in the position that I need to open the moment of
crossing., to be able to enter the etheric world. I am working on a preset
but it is very difficult with my technical know how. I have input from a
very inspired music therapist and will post my draft as soon as possible.
Thanks for listening
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Tim Gerchmez
> Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2000 1:57
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> At 07:16 PM 4/1/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>
> >And in any case, since you are apparently an authority on what
> should and
> >shouldn't appear on the list, I can only assume that this
> particular thread
> >is entirely relevant - or you wouldn't keep it going, would you?
>
> >From my standpoint, you're BOTH keeping it going.  And it appears that
> you're both deriving some kind of pleasure from it (probably some kind of
> chest-puffing ego gratification), or else you would both cease
> immediately.
>
> >(I've got a bet with myself that you're &%$�@ enough to reply to this
> >message as well!)
>
> I rest my case.
>
> As for the rest of us still subscribed, who wants to start a
> topic relevant
> to Bwgen, and simply ignore those who remain off-topic?  Any ideas?  New
> presets?
>
> Anyone interested in current presets, you can go here:
>
> http://getit.at/presets
>
> Peace to All,
>
> Tim
>
> -----
> The past is memory, the future imaginary.  Be Here Now.
>
> Visit "The Core" Website at http://coresite.cjb.net -
> Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
> Tim's other pages are at: http://core.vdirect.net.
>
>
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RE: 3.0 suggestions

I love it all
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Andy Bradbury
> Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2000 9:09
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
>
> >>From my standpoint, you're BOTH keeping it going.
>
> Well, of course we are - only now there's three of us!
> But only two of us are both complaining AND carrying on.
>
> >And it appears that you're both deriving some kind
> >of pleasure from it (probably some kind of chest-puffing
> >ego gratification), or else you would both cease
> >immediately.
>
> And why, then, since you think our motives so crass, have you joined in?
> Presumably for the very reason you attribute to us?
>
> >>(I've got a bet with myself that you're &%$�@ enough to reply to this
> >>message as well!)
> >
> >I rest my case.
>
> I bet you think you know what "&%$�@" means.
> But do you realise that whatever meaning you've arrived at is entirely in
> your head - and not in the mail?
>
>
>
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Re: basic NLP info.

At 02:27 PM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>By the way, what do *you* mean by "peace"?
Peace.  Ya know, being at peace with yourself and others.  What else?
Jeez, wanna argue about it?!? :-)
Peace,
Tim

Re: off topic

At 02:37 PM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>1.  Maybe I've misunderstood something here, but are you saying this is YOUR 
>list, Tim, and that you decide what is appropriate and what isn't.  If so, 
>why don't you just moderate my messages out?
You've misunderstood.  By no means am I saying this is "my" list.  It's
just that lately there have apparently been people unsubscribing, etc.
because they don't like the "noise," and it appears to me that off-topic
posting (posts unrelated to Bwgen) are causing the hassles - especially
emotionally "charged" posts.
>Which leaves this question: If *you* knew that all along, why did you feel 
>it necessary to join in?  Surely you've ignored your own advice about 
>ignoring things until they go away?  Thereby helping to perpetuate the very 
>thing you *presumably* wish to avoid. 
>
>Oops!
*Sigh*.  Is it really so big a deal to you that you took the time to type
all that in?  What is *REALLY* bothering you?
Remind me to keep my "mouth" shut from now on.  Ya try to help the
situation a little, and get kicked in the teeth for it.
I'll only be posting from time to time from now on, either to post a preset
or tell everyone where they can get 'em (at the site I'm offering).  Don't
worry 'bout little ol' me anymore.  I'm on the sidelines from this point
forward.
Tim

Re: off topic

>By no means am I saying this is "my" list.  It's
>just that lately there have apparently been people
>unsubscribing, etc.
I've no idea what you mean by "etc", but I've only noticed two people 
unsubscribing *publicly* - and one of those was because the guy was going on 
holiday and didn't want his mails to back up!
>because they don't like the "noise," and it
>appears to me that off-topic posting (posts
>unrelated to Bwgen) are causing the
>hassles - especially emotionally "charged" posts.
What a pity you didn't check your facts.  Things might have *appeared* 
differently, might they not?
>>Which leaves this question: If *you* knew that all along, why did you feel 
>>it necessary to join in?  Surely you've ignored your own advice about 
>>ignoring things until they go away?  Thereby helping to perpetuate the very 
>>thing you *presumably* wish to avoid. 
>>
>>Oops!
>
>*Sigh*.  Is it really so big a deal to you that you took the time to type
>all that in?
There you go - doing it again.  I'm not sure I'd want to take a patronising, 
in your place, but hey - if it works for you!
>Remind me to keep my "mouth" shut from now on.  Ya try to help the
>situation a little, and get kicked in the teeth for it.
Okay - Keep your "mouth" shut from now on, Tim!
What  is "REALLY" bothering me?
Not a lot.  But here are some liitle tidbits of NLP that I've been using 
over the last couple of weeks:
1.  Everyone in the world has their own point of view - and no two points of 
view are ever *exactly* the same.  To describe someone else as, say, 
"ignorant", just because they don't share your point of view is to ignore 
the fact that *no-one* shares your precise point of view.
2.  The double bind.  Telling Ed that I had a bet that he would answer my 
post just about guaranteed that he wouldn't.  If he replied he'd be proving 
me right, and however much he wanted to tell me off, it was pretty unlikely 
that his pride would let him win my bet for me in order to do that.
Of course I didn't have a bet - I put that in so he would have something to 
kick against. Letting him prove me wrong was the easiest way to get him to quit.
3.  Everyone does the best with the resources they have available to them.
That is, people don't usually go looking for trouble unless they don't know 
a better way to get what they want.  Get upset about other people's 
behaviour is a sure-fire way to get yourself wound up - with no positive 
benefits.
4.  Emotions and behaviour are based on *perceptions*, NOT on absolute reality.
Whatever you think about me, or my posts, is entirely in *your head*.  You 
are deciding what I "should" or "shouldn't" do - and then getting concerned 
about whether I fit that pattern.
5.  No matter what your situation, you always have choices.
Like, just because some people on the list are swapping *allegedly* 
off-topic mails - why should that *necessarily* stop anyone else posting 
regular BWGen-type mails?
From the last two points, I wonder if you'd care to take the time to ask 
yourself, if you wanted to, why you, I or anyone else would *choose* to get 
"emotional" about a message on this list, would you?
Incidentally, I think BWGen is great, and I look forward to being able to 
purchase version 3.  It just occurs to me that some people might not realise 
that it is, in the end, more of a screwdriver than a magic wand.
;�)

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RE: 3.0 suggestions

>especially since one of the children at my school
>had her corpus callosum cut in surgery, to no
>effect I must add in her disposition to epilepsy.
<snip>
>will post my draft as soon as possible.
>Thanks for listening
Will you also let us know what effect it has on your pupil?
That's if no-one else on the list objects?
  ;�)
Thank you.
Andy B.

Re: basic NLP info.

>>By the way, what do *you* mean by "peace"?
>
>Peace.  Ya know, being at peace with yourself and others.  What else?
>Jeez, wanna argue about it?!? :-)
>
>Peace,
>
>Tim
No - just want to know what you *mean*.
How would I *know* if I was at peace with myself - in your estmation?
What would I hear, see, feel (emotionally and physically)?
In some forms of meditation "peace" is a total 'white out'.
For a an anti-war supporter, "peace" might simply mean the absence of war. 
and the dissolution of the armed services.  For a military or paranoid 
person, or someone living somewhere like Montenegro, "peace" might be the 
quiet before the impending storm
In the 60s "peace" usually meant "I'm stoned out of my mind and I don't even 
know what year it is, let alone who you are"
To many of the self-styled religious people I've met, it means "Let's get 
emotionally high - just as long as I don't have to deal with you as a real 
person"
I also know people who would regard "Peace" as a piece of pure hypocrisy, 
because they don't believe that "peace" is possible given the current state 
of the human race.
I haven't the faintest idea which of these groups, *if any*, you belong to.
Another NLP presupposition - No two people attach *exactly* the same meaning 
to any word, and even when the same person re-uses a particular word, they 
never mean *exactly* what they meant before.
So, if you wish me "Peace", I'm much more interested in what *you* mean than 
in what it means to me.  After all, I'm not doing the wishing.

Suggestion about the list

	What I am proposing here is a simple vote by all using this list.  Take a
moment to make a  brief comment or suggestion about the direction and
subject matter that you would like to see the list be involved with. I ask
as a courtesy to others, that no one goes off topic on this thread. Please
do not change subject line.  Please do not a involve this in a prolonged
lecture or diatribe and continued rebuttals. Here is a chance for everyone
to place a simple comment about the list. I feel the majority vote should
dictate the guiding principle of the list whether it will remain as it has
been or to take a different approach in accords to the majority. In this
fashion I hope all will partake and express their comments. This is the only
way I can think of to allow people to express what they feel the list should
be. If you have a better suggestions by all means put it here for others to
see.
Sincerely
Roger

Re: 3.0 suggestions

>Will you also let us know what effect it has on your pupil?
>That's if no-one else on the list objects?
I have no objection. Seems to be perfectly in line with this
discussion list, unlike someone's diatribe about what "peace" means.

Re: Suggestion about the list

On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:51:38 +0300 (EET DST), you wrote:
>	What I am proposing here is a simple vote by all using this list.  Take a
>moment to make a  brief comment or suggestion about the direction and
>subject matter that you would like to see the list be involved with. 
I would like to see this list stay focused on the uses of BWGEN and
similar technologies, especially its uses for OOB's, sleep disorders,
therapies, hypnosis, etc. 
I do not object to someone opening discussion on various states of
mind in spirituality (Kundalini/The Holy Spirit, etc...) as long as
the discussion does not get argumentative. 
As an example, I will use a recent post where someone, as a signature,
signed "peace" and someone responded in an almost hostile way,
demanding to know what that person meant by "peace". This is
ludicrous.
I'm not against debate, a bit of debate is healthy, but this is
anything but.

requested vote + preset comment

Hi all,
I don't think there should be any restrictions, I believe in increased
communication, though it is obvious some people on the list have issues-
either with being heard or the opposite.
Now, I just scan and delete when it's doesn't speak to me, though at first I
did consider quitting as others have.
Brainwave entrainment is more than just presets, it's a part of personal
growth for me, and with that comes communication, which speaks from many
viewpoints.
As long as I'm talking, I really like Todd's "Meditation with Theta" preset.
tom  carr,
[email protected]

RE: Suggestion about the list

Hey Peoples:)
	I have a simple suggestion, maybe just be nice in what you say and how you
say it, and if you read an email and you can take it either good or bad,
take it in a good way and stop the meaness (if that is a word).
	Anyway have a great day, And think it's almost Easter, and if your good the
Easter bunny might bring you a day off work or school(school for me
yaaaaa)!!!
						Love
							Group member Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: QCC [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 1:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Suggestion about the list
	What I am proposing here is a simple vote by all using this list.  Take a
moment to make a  brief comment or suggestion about the direction and
subject matter that you would like to see the list be involved with. I ask
as a courtesy to others, that no one goes off topic on this thread. Please
do not change subject line.  Please do not a involve this in a prolonged
lecture or diatribe and continued rebuttals. Here is a chance for everyone
to place a simple comment about the list. I feel the majority vote should
dictate the guiding principle of the list whether it will remain as it has
been or to take a different approach in accords to the majority. In this
fashion I hope all will partake and express their comments. This is the only
way I can think of to allow people to express what they feel the list should
be. If you have a better suggestions by all means put it here for others to
see.
Sincerely
Roger
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Andy/Re: basic NLP info.

At 11:00 PM 4/2/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>So, if you wish me "Peace", I'm much more interested in what *you* mean than 
>in what it means to me.  After all, I'm not doing the wishing.
My definition of "peace" has now changed.  Now, it means "if you kept your
galaxy-sized ego to yourself, the list would be much more at peace."
Hope this is enough to satisfy your weird and disturbing mental-verbal
obsessions.  If not, keep on spouting.  My communication with you comes to
an end with this final post.
Peace,
Tim

RE: 3.0 suggestions

I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or looking for.
Sincerely
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 7:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
I have a difficult idea which I am working on. This is for a preset. I have
been working on the etheric ramifications of brain crossings especially
since one of the children at my school had her corpus callosum cut in
surgery, to no effect I must add in her disposition to epilepsy. I have been
pondering the picture of crossing for quite a while, eg. I have been
watching the sun rise and I can not catch the moment of transition of when
it is a glow on the horizon and then it is there. I have been into this
thought for a long time. I construct all sorts of activities at my school
and find my self in the position that I need to open the moment of
crossing., to be able to enter the etheric world. I am working on a preset
but it is very difficult with my technical know how. I have input from a
very inspired music therapist and will post my draft as soon as possible.
Thanks for listening
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Tim Gerchmez
> Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2000 1:57
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> At 07:16 PM 4/1/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>
> >And in any case, since you are apparently an authority on what
> should and
> >shouldn't appear on the list, I can only assume that this
> particular thread
> >is entirely relevant - or you wouldn't keep it going, would you?
>
> >From my standpoint, you're BOTH keeping it going.  And it appears that
> you're both deriving some kind of pleasure from it (probably some kind of
> chest-puffing ego gratification), or else you would both cease
> immediately.
>
> >(I've got a bet with myself that you're &%$�@ enough to reply to this
> >message as well!)
>
> I rest my case.
>
> As for the rest of us still subscribed, who wants to start a
> topic relevant
> to Bwgen, and simply ignore those who remain off-topic?  Any ideas?  New
> presets?
>
> Anyone interested in current presets, you can go here:
>
> http://getit.at/presets
>
> Peace to All,
>
> Tim
>
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>
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RE: Suggestion about the list

I love it all. esp the BWGen stuff and presets with  spiritual discovery and
a bit of human astrality thrown in,
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 6:52
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Suggestion about the list
>
>
> 	What I am proposing here is a simple vote by all using this
> list.  Take a
> moment to make a  brief comment or suggestion about the direction and
> subject matter that you would like to see the list be involved with. I ask
> as a courtesy to others, that no one goes off topic on this thread. Please
> do not change subject line.  Please do not a involve this in a prolonged
> lecture or diatribe and continued rebuttals. Here is a chance for everyone
> to place a simple comment about the list. I feel the majority vote should
> dictate the guiding principle of the list whether it will remain as it has
> been or to take a different approach in accords to the majority. In this
> fashion I hope all will partake and express their comments. This
> is the only
> way I can think of to allow people to express what they feel the
> list should
> be. If you have a better suggestions by all means put it here for
> others to
> see.
>
> Sincerely
> Roger
>
>
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RE: 3.0 suggestions

Sure if I ever get the thing together and if the parent consents.
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Andy Bradbury
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 6:00
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
>
> >especially since one of the children at my school
> >had her corpus callosum cut in surgery, to no
> >effect I must add in her disposition to epilepsy.
> <snip>
> >will post my draft as soon as possible.
> >Thanks for listening
>
> Will you also let us know what effect it has on your pupil?
> That's if no-one else on the list objects?
>   ;�)
>
> Thank you.
>
> Andy B.
>
>
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Re: Suggestion about the list

My personal view is that this list should not be constrained by any rules,
guidelines, compulsions, proscriptions or prescriptions. To resort to such
devices is to surrender to our slave mentality, it is to declare that we
need rules to bind us, that we cannot govern ourselves through reasoned
discussion.
I am interested in seeing what kind of personalities are emerging through
these discussions, what disparate people have come together out of an
interest in (forgive me) an obscure computer program for altering
consciousness. If one of you has found interest or merit in something,
there's a good chance that I will find it interesting or useful too.
The liveliest mailing lists are, in my opinion, those with few or no rules,
where disputes are fought out between people with few holds barred, where
people are only ejected when they become personally abusive.
I would not wish to confer the curse of being responsible for censoring the
list on anyone either. Such power, in my experience, corrupts the most
unlikely of people.
Paul
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From: QCC <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: 02 April 2000 22:51
Subject: Re: Suggestion about the list
> What I am proposing here is a simple vote by all using this list.  Take a
>moment to make a  brief comment or suggestion about the direction and
>subject matter that you would like to see the list be involved with. I ask
>as a courtesy to others, that no one goes off topic on this thread. Please
>do not change subject line.  Please do not a involve this in a prolonged
>lecture or diatribe and continued rebuttals. Here is a chance for everyone
>to place a simple comment about the list. I feel the majority vote should
>dictate the guiding principle of the list whether it will remain as it has
>been or to take a different approach in accords to the majority. In this
>fashion I hope all will partake and express their comments. This is the
only
>way I can think of to allow people to express what they feel the list
should
>be. If you have a better suggestions by all means put it here for others to
>see.
>
>Sincerely
>Roger
>
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Re: Suggestion about the list

My vote is that we each "censor" ourselves.  Refrain from participating in
purely personal issues (those belong to private Email), and keep the
discussion at a reasonable level as far as emotions are concerned.  I would
hope that we're all mature adults who can "censor" ourselves effectively,
avoiding personal attacks and other personality-based issues that have
nothing to do with Bwgen, brainwave entrainment, spirituality or anything
related.
If we cannot operate as mature adults, this list will eventually degrade
into chaos.  I've seen it many times before on other lists.  I've witnessed
useful and promising mailing lists decay into forums for constant bickering
and personal attacks, and the resulting signal-to-noise ratio go off the
scale, effectively destroying the list.
Just as a suggestion, if anyone feels offended or hurt by something someone
else said, do one of the following:
(1) 30 minutes of theta with Bwgen :-)
(2) Take the issue to private Email
(3) If the offense is serious, contact the ISP of the offender.
If we cannot observe the rules of common decency and self-restraint, this
list is doomed to become a forum for constant argument and bickering.  If
we can, it will remain a useful and productive resource.
Tim
At 08:17 PM 4/3/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: QCC <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>Date: 02 April 2000 22:51
>Subject: Re: Suggestion about the list
>
>
>> What I am proposing here is a simple vote by all using this list.  Take a
>>moment to make a  brief comment or suggestion about the direction and
>>subject matter that you would like to see the list be involved with. I ask
>>as a courtesy to others, that no one goes off topic on this thread. Please
>>do not change subject line.  Please do not a involve this in a prolonged
>>lecture or diatribe and continued rebuttals. Here is a chance for everyone
>>to place a simple comment about the list. I feel the majority vote should
>>dictate the guiding principle of the list whether it will remain as it has
>>been or to take a different approach in accords to the majority. In this
>>fashion I hope all will partake and express their comments. This is the
>only
>>way I can think of to allow people to express what they feel the list
>should
>>be. If you have a better suggestions by all means put it here for others to
>>see.
>>
>>Sincerely
>>Roger
>>
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Audio

I have a TEAC V-750 Cassette deck connected to my sound card so I am =
able to record to/from cassette then back to CD (S&F; CD SpeedWriter RW). =
I'm probably losing some quality. How are people on this list using BW =
Gen away from their PC? I have considered wireless headphones. I don't =
have a laptop. Is there a way to save BWGen output as a Wave file? I use =
Cooledit also.
I purchased and used the Monroe Tapes (Gateway Experience) 11 or 12 =
years ago but did not continue beyond that point.=20
I'm interested in how I might make use of the tools I own.=20
That's what I'd like to gain from this list.
C. Jefts

Re: Audio

At 11:53 PM 4/3/2000 +0300, you wrote: 
>>>>
<excerpt><smaller>I have a TEAC V-750 Cassette deck connected to my sound
card so I am able to record to/from cassette then back to CD (S&F; CD
SpeedWriter RW). I'm probably losing some quality. How are people on this
list using BW Gen away from their PC? I have considered wireless
headphones. I don't have a laptop. Is there a way to save BWGen output as
a Wave file? I use Cooledit also.
</smaller></excerpt><<<<<<<<
I have a CD-Recordable (Rewritable) drive, and have recorded several
meditations on CD, to play when the computer is off using a portable CD
player.  There is an export to .wav function available (Wave/Play to .wav
file).
<excerpt>  
</excerpt>Cheers,
Tim
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Re: Audio

At 03:53 PM 4/3/2000 , you wrote:
>How are people on this list using BW Gen away from their PC?
I use cassettes on a Walkman, or burn my own audio CD's. Sony makes 
cassette Walkmen that last up to 60 hours on a single battery, and CD 
Walkmen that go for 29 hours on a single battery. You can also make MP3's 
and use a portable MP3 player, without much loss of quality.
>  I have considered wireless headphones. I don't have a laptop. Is there a 
> way to save BWGen output as a Wave file?
Yes. Use the Wave|Play into WAV file. Make sure you set the samples per 
second in Options|Advanced Options to 44100, to be compatible with CD 
burners, MP3 encoders, etc...
Regards, Eddy. 

Re: Audio

At 03:38 AM 4/4/2000 +0300, you wrote: 
<excerpt>
Yes. Use the Wave|Play into WAV file. Make sure you set the samples per
second in Options|Advanced Options to 44100, to be compatible with CD
burners, MP3 encoders, etc...
</excerpt><<<<<<<<
This is admittedly nit-picking, but most MP3 encoders work just fine with
.wav files encoded at 22,050 or 11,025 Hz.  Admittedly, 44,100 Hz is
necessary if writing to CD, but as carrier tones above 1000 Hz are rarely
used in binaural beats, even 11,025 Hz is overkill (11,025/2 = 5,512.5 Hz
max frequency).
It should be noted, however, that 16-bit is important (8-bit .wav files
sound scratchy and/or distorted on most sound cards).
It certainly doesn't "hurt anything" to always use 44,100 Hz... unless
someone plans to keep .wav files on their hard drive, or burn .wav files
onto a data CD... in which case, 11,025 Hz should be fine in most cases,
and will save a lot of space.
>>>>
<excerpt>
</excerpt>Best,
Tim

Playing .wav files...

Dear List...
I've noticed something... when playing back brainwave files saved with
Bwgen or cool edit, *do not* use Windows Media Player (Microsoft's latest
standard for playing just about every format).  Windows Media Player uses
DirectSound, which changes the sound somehow (I'm not sure what it does,
but it definitely alters the sound in some way which decreases the
effectiveness of the brainwave effect - this is personal observation).  
Use MPLAYER.EXE instead (which comes with all versions of Windows and
should be in the \windows directory), or some other .wav player that does
not utilize DirectSound, and does not add "effects" or graphic equalization
to playback.
Tim

Re: Audio

I have a CD writer and wondered what you mean't by writing to a data CD. =
Whats the best type of CD to burn onto ?? And can you put music in the =
background.
I have CoolEdit2000 and wondered if there was a manual or anything thats =
shows you step by step how to create say a mantra chanting session and =
have binural beats in the background?? I have the Studio plug in also
Thanks
Jeff Moran
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tim Gerchmez=20
  To: [email protected]=20
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 3:14 AM
  Subject: Re: Audio
  At 03:38 AM 4/4/2000 +0300, you wrote:=20
    Yes. Use the Wave|Play into WAV file. Make sure you set the samples =
per second in Options|Advanced Options to 44100, to be compatible with =
CD burners, MP3 encoders, etc...
  <<<<
  This is admittedly nit-picking, but most MP3 encoders work just fine =
with .wav files encoded at 22,050 or 11,025 Hz. Admittedly, 44,100 Hz is =
necessary if writing to CD, but as carrier tones above 1000 Hz are =
rarely used in binaural beats, even 11,025 Hz is overkill (11,025/2 =3D =
5,512.5 Hz max frequency).
  It should be noted, however, that 16-bit is important (8-bit .wav =
files sound scratchy and/or distorted on most sound cards).
  It certainly doesn't "hurt anything" to always use 44,100 Hz... unless =
someone plans to keep .wav files on their hard drive, or burn .wav files =
onto a data CD... in which case, 11,025 Hz should be fine in most cases, =
and will save a lot of space.
  >>>>
  Best,
  Tim
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Re: Suggestion about the list

QCC
>If you have a better suggestions by all means put it here for others to
>see.
Yep.  Let the person who owns the list to make their own decisions.
Assuming that you've been following the conversation so far you already know 
what that is.

Re: 3.0 suggestions

>>Will you also let us know what effect it has on your pupil?
>>That's if no-one else on the list objects?
>
>I have no objection. Seems to be perfectly in line with this
>discussion list, unlike someone's diatribe about what "peace" means.
You mean you have ways of communicating WITHOUT understanding what the other 
person means?
Interesting, but not very credible.  Though from someone who persistently 
reads mails in order to get upset, I suppose ...

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Re: Suggestion about the list

>As an example, I will use a recent post where someone, as a signature,
>signed "peace" and someone responded in an almost hostile way,
>demanding to know what that person meant by "peace". This is
>ludicrous.
How do you arrive at the *knowledge* that my response was "hostile" Ed?
It has been one of my contentions all along that when this list moves into 
discussion of 'spiritual' topics, people use words which are extremely vague 
yet treat them as though they have very precise, single meanings.
I asked Tim what he meant for just one reason - because I genuinely wanted 
to know what *he* meant by that sign off, in a mail directed primarily to 
myself.
If you regard an honest question as hostility I'm not surprised that my 
posts (apparently) bother you so much.
As another genuine question - do you ascribe hidden meanings to other 
people's comments in your day-to-day, face-to-face communications?

Re: requested vote + preset comment

Tom
>Now, I just scan and delete when it's doesn't speak to me, though at first I
>did consider quitting as others have.
Since I've communicated with each of the people who have *publicly* 
unsubscribed since this "discussion" started, I can safely say that Brandon 
was the only one who unsubscribed because he didn't like this particular thread.
Best to stick the the facts, I'm sure you'll agree

Re: Andy/Re: basic NLP info.

>My definition of "peace" has now changed.  Now, it means "if you kept your
>galaxy-sized ego to yourself, the list would be much more at peace."
>
>Hope this is enough to satisfy your weird and disturbing mental-verbal
>obsessions.
That is a definition of "peace":  If Andy B. keeps his galaxy-sized ego to 
himself the list will be much more at peace?
Do you suppose that if someone who knew nothing about this list were to ask 
you what you meant by "peace" then that definition would tell them exactly 
what they needed to know?
Actually, I wanted to know what you meant by "peace" THEN rather than NOW.
I have a sneaking suspicion that you and Ed think I've upset you.
Which could only be true if *I* had more control over your thoughts and 
emotions than *you* do.
And you think *I'm* weird ...

Re: Andy/Re: basic NLP info.

>Hope this is enough to satisfy your weird and disturbing mental-verbal
>obsessions.  If not, keep on spouting.  My communication with you comes to
>an end with this final post.
Believe it or not, there are several lists dedicated to exactly this *thing* 
you describe as "weird and disturbing mental-verbal obsessions" (I prefer 
NLP, but it's your mail!)
By the way, "disturbing" to whom?
You're prepared to do all kinds of experimental stuff with BWGen and your 
own brain - yet you find a few black lines on your computer screen "disturbing"?
Interesting.  And one of the reasons why I asked you what *you* meanty by 
"peace".

Re: Audio

Hey Jefts,  when you bought the gateway experience tapes did you buy the 
whole set, and did the tapes eventually get you to OOBE? Just wondering 
because I was thinking of buying them and I want to know whether or not its 
worth the $500 BUCKS.

Re: Audio Monroe

Hi there similar question myself, did you actually go to the Monroe
Institute and if so is the Web Site just a skimming of whats really going on
there ??
I am planning to come over to the USa in early May and go to The Institute
to do the gateway voyger programme and also to take on some other training.
I have have several good feedback reports about their stuff but would like
more of a balanced viewpoint.
I have been hoodwinked into spending quite a sum of cash without good
rewards in the States before so I am putting out the question to all you
guys and females.
Thanks in anticipation
Jeff  Moran
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Audio
> Hey Jefts,  when you bought the gateway experience tapes did you buy the
> whole set, and did the tapes eventually get you to OOBE? Just wondering
> because I was thinking of buying them and I want to know whether or not
its
> worth the $500 BUCKS.
>
>
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Re: Audio Monroe

At 05:01 PM 4/4/2000 , you wrote:
>Hi there similar question myself, did you actually go to the Monroe
>Institute and if so is the Web Site just a skimming of whats really going on
>there ??
>
>I am planning to come over to the USa in early May and go to The Institute
>to do the gateway voyger programme and also to take on some other training.
>I have have several good feedback reports about their stuff but would like
>more of a balanced viewpoint.
I have been doing the Monroe Discovery and Threshold tapes for 8 months, 
with very good results. I have also been fortunate to visit the Institute 
last summer, and got a 2-hour session in the PREP unit (a sensory/EMF 
isolation tank), where i had some remarkable experiences.
I met several people who had undergone Gateway and Heartline training 
(including the good folk who run the Fallen Oaks Bed & Breakfast, Jim and 
Ginna Colburn, down the road from the Institute), and they were unanimous 
in that these had changed their lives. In particular Jim and Ginna, who 
used to be lawyers...
So, i highly recommend the Monroe. However, not everyone is affected by 
this kind of technology. As an experiment, i had five members of my 
Buddhist meditation group here in Houston try a Monroe-like Focus-10 preset 
of my concoction: 2 of them described experiences of bliss, one said she 
had a very nice relaxed experience, and two said they didn't feel anything 
in particular... So , your mileage may vary :-)

RE: Suggestion about the list

	Personally, it seem there is a very small minority who has to rebuke or
rebut most things that are said in this list. I would prefer these never
ending critics would end. In particular Andy Bradbury.
	I haven't seen a new preset submitted or talk about presets or BGW3 or what
people are experiencing with the technology. I don't mind spiritual subjects
and long as it focuses on how it relates to the technology. But I do not
find individuals who I consider abusive such as Andy's retorts and diatribes
useful to what I am looking for.
My solution is simply filter such individuals out of my email. I never see
them . I really don't want to do this as I may miss something of interest to
me. But so far I have seen anything constructive or of use to me from the
ones I filtered out. I guess it really doesn't matter what direction the
list takes or what subject matter it encompasses. I have expressed my
personal desire, so this is what I am looking for. If we don't like what a
particular person or persons add to the list, I suggest we simply choose to
filter them out. Then maybe they will redirect there energies elsewhere.
Roger

RE: Audio Monroe

I cant say much about the Monroe experience personally but I have a friend
who went through a couple of their programs a few years back and it was life
changing experience for him. I personally have held off because I find the
technologies do not do much that I can tell for me and I hate to lay out
that kind of cash. I have spent many years in meditation so I am not sure if
this is the cause of not having any experiences or not. I have, found it
useful for doing self hypnosis and inputting messages into to the
subconscious. I would say that if you are have the experiences you desire
from BGW or other technologies you would be apt to get something useful out
of Monroe simply by how it turned a friends life around.
Roger Amburn
-----Original Message-----
From: Eddy Philippe [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Audio Monroe
At 05:01 PM 4/4/2000 , you wrote:
>Hi there similar question myself, did you actually go to the Monroe
>Institute and if so is the Web Site just a skimming of whats really going
on
>there ??
>
>I am planning to come over to the USa in early May and go to The Institute
>to do the gateway voyger programme and also to take on some other training.
>I have have several good feedback reports about their stuff but would like
>more of a balanced viewpoint.
I have been doing the Monroe Discovery and Threshold tapes for 8 months,
with very good results. I have also been fortunate to visit the Institute
last summer, and got a 2-hour session in the PREP unit (a sensory/EMF
isolation tank), where i had some remarkable experiences.
I met several people who had undergone Gateway and Heartline training
(including the good folk who run the Fallen Oaks Bed & Breakfast, Jim and
Ginna Colburn, down the road from the Institute), and they were unanimous
in that these had changed their lives. In particular Jim and Ginna, who
used to be lawyers...
So, i highly recommend the Monroe. However, not everyone is affected by
this kind of technology. As an experiment, i had five members of my
Buddhist meditation group here in Houston try a Monroe-like Focus-10 preset
of my concoction: 2 of them described experiences of bliss, one said she
had a very nice relaxed experience, and two said they didn't feel anything
in particular... So , your mileage may vary :-)
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RE: Suggestion about the list

Grow up Andy, don't be such a jerk :(
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Bradbury [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 12:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Suggestion about the list
>As an example, I will use a recent post where someone, as a signature,
>signed "peace" and someone responded in an almost hostile way,
>demanding to know what that person meant by "peace". This is
>ludicrous.
How do you arrive at the *knowledge* that my response was "hostile" Ed?
It has been one of my contentions all along that when this list moves into
discussion of 'spiritual' topics, people use words which are extremely vague
yet treat them as though they have very precise, single meanings.
I asked Tim what he meant for just one reason - because I genuinely wanted
to know what *he* meant by that sign off, in a mail directed primarily to
myself.
If you regard an honest question as hostility I'm not surprised that my
posts (apparently) bother you so much.
As another genuine question - do you ascribe hidden meanings to other
people's comments in your day-to-day, face-to-face communications?
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RE: Suggestion about the list

At 01:44 AM 4/5/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>	Personally, it seem there is a very small minority who has to rebuke or
>rebut most things that are said in this list. I would prefer these never
>ending critics would end. In particular Andy Bradbury.
>	I haven't seen a new preset submitted or talk about presets or BGW3 or
>what people are experiencing with the technology. I don't mind spiritual
>subjects and long as it focuses on how it relates to the technology. But I
do >not find individuals who I consider abusive such as Andy's retorts and
>diatribes useful to what I am looking for.
I would like to echo your opinion here, QCC, that Andy Bradbury has been
one of the major "instigators" in this whole affair, and the main influence
keeping this list off-topic and off-balance.
>My solution is simply filter such individuals out of my email. I never see
>them . I really don't want to do this as I may miss something of interest to
>me. But so far I have seen anything constructive or of use to me from the
>ones I filtered out.
Yes, this is a solution of sorts, but the 'trouble' is that not everybody
is going to do so, especially people just joining the list (newcomers), and
so they will notice Andy's strange behavior and comment on it, thus keeping
the issue alive rather than allowing it to die a natural death.  Luckily,
this doesn't always happen, and in the case of this list is perhaps
unlikely, since there isn't a steady influx of newcomers.
>If we don't like what a particular person or persons add to the list, I
>suggest we simply choose to filter them out. Then maybe they will redirect
>there energies elsewhere.
This is a reasonable and valid assumption.  Most of those like Andy are
'attention-seekers' - they seek a bolster for their egos through the
response of others - ANY kind of response, "good" or "bad."  It's the
"clash" with others that allows them to strengthen and maintain their
fragile sense of self-image, and if others do not respond at all, they will
go elsewhere for their needs.  This has been an observation of mine through
years of participation on both Usenet and a number of mailing lists.  The
*only* cure is to *ignore* the offender, as if he/she did not exist.
Peace to you,
Tim

Re: Suggestion about the list

>>As an example, I will use a recent post where someone, as a signature,
>>signed "peace" and someone responded in an almost hostile way,
>>demanding to know what that person meant by "peace". This is
>>ludicrous.
>
>How do you arrive at the *knowledge* that my response was "hostile" Ed?
>It has been one of my contentions all along that when this list moves into 
>discussion of 'spiritual' topics, people use words which are extremely vague 
>yet treat them as though they have very precise, single meanings.
>I asked Tim what he meant for just one reason - because I genuinely wanted 
>to know what *he* meant by that sign off, in a mail directed primarily to 
>myself.
Do you honestly mean that? Because it really, truly looked like you
were trying to be a smartass. Ohhhhhh, wait.......a smartass to whom?
To me? To other "right-minded" individuals? Sound familiar?
Do you think you can dissect every word that someone types and twist
their meanings to fit your agenda? Somehow, I believe, that in your
mind, you can.
Andy, your problem is that you cannot accept responsibility for your
actions because it seems you believe everything is a matter of
perception. If you piss someone off, then it's that person's fault, he
or she must have perceived it wrong. It surely couldn't be, shouldn't
be YOU that has the problem.
>As another genuine question - do you ascribe hidden meanings to other 
>people's comments in your day-to-day, face-to-face communications?
See what I mean?  And yes, everyone ascribes hidden meanings in
communications on a daily basis. There is such a thing called body
language. Someone's tone of voice, all of those things either
reinforce or negate the meaning of the words coming out of one's
mouth. 
Of course, with a purely text-based mode of communication such as
email, true meanings become more clear. Here, we can decipher the true
meanings of communications via the context of surrounding sentences. 
I must say, in the context of your series of e-mail communications
with the rest of the discussion group, with all due respect, that *I*
*perceive* you to be a SMARTASS.
I also believe there are others who feel the same way that I do. 

Re: Suggestion about the list

At 06:16 AM 4/5/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>Andy, your problem is that you cannot accept responsibility for your
>actions because it seems you believe everything is a matter of
>perception. If you piss someone off, then it's that person's fault, he
>or she must have perceived it wrong. It surely couldn't be, shouldn't
>be YOU that has the problem.
If he believes that, then *in a way* he's right.  Everyone *does* have a
choice to react or not react to something another person says or does.
Nobody can be *blamed* for the *reaction* of another.
Someone may hand me a poisoned apple, but I don't have to bite into it.  If
I *don't* bite into it, then the person who handed it to me created their
own "karma" and will suffer the results of that action.  If I *do* react, I
willingly participate in the situation and thus become a *victim* of the
situation.  Therefore the choice is mine whether or not to react to a
perceived attack from "another."
My main point is that there is nobody to blame, and that *BLAMING SOLVES
NOTHING*.  
However, the question does arise: Whether or not I accept a poisoned apple
handed to me... why did the person hand it to me in the first place?  And
will that person examine their own motives, their reasons for doing so?  If
not, then they are at the mercy of what they know nothing about:
Themselves.  They alone will suffer the results of their personal attack:
Disturbed peace of mind , cravings for an emotional reaction that doesn't
come, or worse.
>I must say, in the context of your series of e-mail communications
>with the rest of the discussion group, with all due respect, that *I*
>*perceive* you to be a SMARTASS.
>
>I also believe there are others who feel the same way that I do. 
Please don't count me in that group.  I honestly feel that Andy would
benefit from counseling, and that brainwave entrainment is not helpful in
situations like this.  It's the result of an insecure ego, an ego that
needs external validation and seeks that validation through conflict,
through "bumping up against" the egos of others.  The world is full of
people like this.  If you must blame, then blame the world, not him.  This
society does not encourage self-knowledge or secure egos.
Tim

Re: Audio Monroe

Jeff--
I have done a Monroe weekend, offered locally (in South Florida), by a
trained Monroe Instructor and I had some very interesting experiences.  I
didn't quite get out of body...but I think I got as far as I could go
without doing that.  I had that vibratory sensation, was clearly at a
bridge, kind of in space and didn't cross it.  I think if I would have
crossed it, I would have been out...would like to try it again.  The
instructor's name is Dyana and if you have any questions or concerns about
Monroe,  I am sure she can help.   She is [email protected]  and has always
been a good source of information for me.  Hope this is helpful.
regards,
[email protected]

Re: Monroe presets

I have a question about all those great Monroe presets.  How are they 
supposed to be used?  Are you supposed to listen to them in order in 
consecutive sessions?  Or do you go through a lot of steps in one session?  I 
really want to do something with them, but I'm unsure how to proceed.   
                                    -Nancy

Nancy/Re: Monroe presets

At 12:53 PM 4/5/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>I have a question about all those great Monroe presets.  How are they 
>supposed to be used?  Are you supposed to listen to them in order in 
>consecutive sessions?  Or do you go through a lot of steps in one session?
 I 
>really want to do something with them, but I'm unsure how to proceed.   
>                                    -Nancy
Why not take the scientific approach - listen to them, and see what kind of
effects they have on your consciousness?  Certainly they can do no harm, if
you're not prone to epilepsy or other related disorders.
To me, the best sort of learning is by personal experience.  I've found the
"best" theta frequencies, which presets bring about synchronization the
fastest, which presets seem to have no effect at all, etc., simply by
experimenting with them.  That's part of the fun :-)
Peace,
Tim

Re: Audio Monroe

Hi Edddy,
         I don't know who wrote the original post, but
in answer to that, I have also been to the monroe
Institute. I've done the in home training series,
waves 1-6, the gateway Voyage, and Lifelines. Later
this year I will be doing Focus 27 and then next year,
Focus 27 Beyond.
       The entire experience is definitely life
changing and Life affirming, so much so that I hope to
join the professional Division of the Institute later
on this year. The Institute experience is a lot deeper
than the in-home series and to anyone who wants to try
it, I say that you the fee for the program is well
worth the advance in consciousness that is possible
Light, Life, Love
Dave. 
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Re: Audio Monroe

Hi Jeff,
        No hoodwinking involved. The Institute
delivers.You are limited only by your own imagination
and creativity, as far as getting the most out of any
one of the programs is concerned. Sometimes people go
there and get stuck because they sometimes don't give
themselves permission to be more than there physical
bodies; which is part of the experience's affirmation.
     As I said in another related post, I've been to
the gateway Voyage, Lifelines and have done the in
home training series. Later this year I'm doing Focus
27 and then next year Beyond 27. i don't have money to
throw away, so believe me when I say that I get my
money's worth and then some. They deliver.
Light, Life, Love
Dave. 
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                            King David of Israel.
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Re: Audio Monroe

many thanks for the feedbck guys. Am I also correct in assuming that the
site is just a window and the adventure starts when I get there. Having had
experiences with the angelic Kingdom and other dimensions beforethen I hope
I don't limit myself. My learning conscious OBE techniques is what I hope to
get from the course so thats my expectation, anything else will be a bonus.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: D R <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Audio Monroe
>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>         No hoodwinking involved. The Institute
> delivers.You are limited only by your own imagination
> and creativity, as far as getting the most out of any
> one of the programs is concerned. Sometimes people go
> there and get stuck because they sometimes don't give
> themselves permission to be more than there physical
> bodies; which is part of the experience's affirmation.
>      As I said in another related post, I've been to
> the gateway Voyage, Lifelines and have done the in
> home training series. Later this year I'm doing Focus
> 27 and then next year Beyond 27. i don't have money to
> throw away, so believe me when I say that I get my
> money's worth and then some. They deliver.
>
> Light, Life, Love
> Dave.
>
> =====
> "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."
>                             King David of Israel.
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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Re: Suggestion about the list

Tim wrote:
>My vote is that we each "censor" ourselves.  Refrain from participating in
>purely personal issues (those belong to private Email), and keep the
>discussion at a reasonable level as far as emotions are concerned.  I would
>hope that we're all mature adults who can "censor" ourselves effectively,
>avoiding personal attacks and other personality-based issues that have
>nothing to do with Bwgen, brainwave entrainment, spirituality or anything
>related.
Can I take it that there will be no more comments such as "If you keep your 
galaxy-sized ego to yourself", then?

RE: Suggestion about the list

>Grow up Andy, don't be such a jerk :(
Is this a demonstration of what you meant by looking for the best 
interpretation of each mail?
By the way, how would you know if I was "grown up"?
How would I know if you were "grown up"?
What exactly is "a jerk"?
What is so bad, in your opinion, about being a jerk?
What is the point of sending me an instruction I cannot understand?
Despite Tim's observation my mails are not down to some weird obsession.  So 
what else could it be?

Re: Suggestion about the list

>Please don't count me in that group.  I honestly feel that Andy would
>benefit from counseling, and that brainwave entrainment is not helpful in
>situations like this.  It's the result of an insecure ego, an ego that
>needs external validation and seeks that validation through conflict,
>through "bumping up against" the egos of others.  The world is full of
>people like this.  If you must blame, then blame the world, not him.  This
>society does not encourage self-knowledge or secure egos.
>
>Tim
Oh, so it's everybody's fault but Andy's that he's a flaming a-hole.
While this group is into self-exploration we don't need a bunch of
psycho-babble bull to justify or make excuses for boorish behavior.
This is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket: No more
personal responsibility, and a lot of psycho-babble to blame personal
shortcomings on.
Where do you come up with the assumption that society does not
encourage self-knowledge or secure egos? That's the biggest load of
bovine product I've seen. We can't blame "society", whatever we
perceive it to be, for choices we must ultimately make.
Personally, I give Andy much more credit than you do, Tim. He is not
the victim you portray him to be. If he wants to be an ass, it is his
right and his choice.
I've come around, and I've changed some of my ideas. People like Andy
have a right to be heard, and he has a place in this discussion list.
Likewise, people have a right to reject those ideas, and openly
criticiize them. 

Re: Suggestion about the list

Ed
>>I asked Tim what he meant for just one reason - because I genuinely wanted 
>>to know what *he* meant by that sign off, in a mail directed primarily to 
>>myself.
>Do you honestly mean that? Because it really, truly looked like you
>were trying to be a smartass.
Yes I honestly meant that - but also yes, I can understand how someone might 
arrive at the interpretation you suggest.  And yes, if I came over as being 
a smartass - against my intentions - then I have some responsibility for that.
I could spend time answering your points one by one, especially your 
rejection of my claim that everything is based on perceptions.  Somehow I 
don't think that really suits the point we may have got to.  So here's a 
little demonstration of what I've been writing about, which you will 
probably find a lot more entertaining.
It consists of a VERY short story, followed by 15 (apparently) very simple 
statements.
If you, or anyone else who cares to give it a go, evaluates all 15 
statements correctly they'll be the first I've ever heard or read about  - 
and the exercise has been around a long time:
Please read the story once then start to evaluate the statements.
Since this is an exercise in understanding, not a memory test, you may 
re-read the story whenever, and as many times as you like.  
There is no time limit, but most people find they can complete the whole 
exercise in about 7-8 minutes.
Short Story:
***************************************************
A businessman had just turned off the lights in the store when a man
appeared and demanded money.  The owner opened a cash register.  The
contents of the cash register were scooped up and the man sped away.  A
member of the police force was promptly notified.
***************************************************
And here are the 15 statements.  All you have to do is decide whether each 
statement is (T) true, (F) false, or (*) not answerable from the information 
in the story:
Statements:
1.  A man appeared after the owner had turned off his store lights.
2.  The robber was a *man*.
3.  The man who appeared did not demand money.
4.  The man who opened the cash register was the owner.
5.  The store owner scooped up the contents of the cash register and ran away.
6.  Someone opened a cash register.
7.  After the man who demanded the money scooped up the contents of the cash 
register, he ran away.
8.  While the cash register did contain cash, the story doesn't say how much.
9.  The robber demanded money from the owner.
10.  A businessman had just turned off the lights when a man appeared in the 
store.
11.  It was broad daylight when the man appeared.
12.  The man who appeared opened the cash register.
13.  No-one demanded money.
14.  The story concerns a series of events in which only three people are 
referred to:  the owner of the store, a man who demanded money, and a member 
of the police force.
15.  The following events were included in the story:  someone demanded 
money, a cash register was opened, its contents were scooped up, and a man 
dashed out of the shop.
(I'll post the answers tomorrow, for anyone who cares to do the exercise.)
Have fun

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----- Original Message -----
From: Me Myself and I <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Audio Monroe
> many thanks for the feedbck guys. Am I also correct in assuming that the
> site is just a window and the adventure starts when I get there. Having
had
> experiences with the angelic Kingdom and other dimensions beforethen I
hope
> I don't limit myself. My learning conscious OBE techniques is what I hope
to
> get from the course so thats my expectation, anything else will be a
bonus.
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D R <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Audio Monroe
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> >         No hoodwinking involved. The Institute
> > delivers.You are limited only by your own imagination
> > and creativity, as far as getting the most out of any
> > one of the programs is concerned. Sometimes people go
> > there and get stuck because they sometimes don't give
> > themselves permission to be more than there physical
> > bodies; which is part of the experience's affirmation.
> >      As I said in another related post, I've been to
> > the gateway Voyage, Lifelines and have done the in
> > home training series. Later this year I'm doing Focus
> > 27 and then next year Beyond 27. i don't have money to
> > throw away, so believe me when I say that I get my
> > money's worth and then some. They deliver.
> >
> > Light, Life, Love
> > Dave.
> >
> > =====
> > "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."
> >                             King David of Israel.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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> >
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RE: Suggestion about the list

>This is a reasonable and valid assumption.  Most of those like Andy are
>'attention-seekers' - they seek a bolster for their egos through the
>response of others - ANY kind of response, "good" or "bad."  It's the
>"clash" with others that allows them to strengthen and maintain their
>fragile sense of self-image, and if others do not respond at all, they will
>go elsewhere for their needs.  This has been an observation of mine through
>years of participation on both Usenet and a number of mailing lists.  The
>*only* cure is to *ignore* the offender, as if he/she did not exist.
So with all this experience, Tim, why is it, I wonder, that you find it so 
difficult to take your own advice?

Ed/Re: Suggestion about the list

At 02:03 AM 4/6/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>>Please don't count me in that group.  I honestly feel that Andy would
>>benefit from counseling, and that brainwave entrainment is not helpful in
>>situations like this.  It's the result of an insecure ego, an ego that
>>needs external validation and seeks that validation through conflict,
>>through "bumping up against" the egos of others.  The world is full of
>>people like this.  If you must blame, then blame the world, not him.  This
>>society does not encourage self-knowledge or secure egos.
>>
>>Tim
>
>Oh, so it's everybody's fault but Andy's that he's a flaming a-hole.
It's your personal perception that he's a "flaming a-hole."  Don't force
your own interpretation of his actions onto others.  This "flaming a-hole"
idea is yours.  You certainly have a right to it, but you don't have a
right to either ask or force others to conform to your point of view!
>While this group is into self-exploration we don't need a bunch of
>psycho-babble bull to justify or make excuses for boorish behavior.
>This is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket: No more
>personal responsibility, and a lot of psycho-babble to blame personal
>shortcomings on.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket because people focus on changing
the world, rather than changing themselves.  "Remove the mote from thine
own eye first" - or something like that.  Are you to tell me that there's
never been a situation where others have perceived you as "an a-hole" for
some reason or another?  What are you, Mr. Perfect?
>Where do you come up with the assumption that society does not
>encourage self-knowledge or secure egos?
Through observation of society.  Society encourages getting, spending,
desires, attachments, clinging and ignorance.  It discourages self-inquiry
as a matter of course.  "Psychotherapy" is routinely ineffective, because
therapy aims at slapping a band-aid over problems, rather than getting to
the root of them.  
The entire "system" is built on ignorance.  If for one moment everyone
would critically examine what it is they are doing, why they're doing it,
and who is doing it, the entire structure would collapse like a house built
of cards.  Therefore, the vested interest of society is to keep the
population ignorant and under authoritative control.  Most "authority"
these days consists of the money-changers (corporations large and small);
government and such plays a much smaller role, at least in the U.S.
Watch a few TV commercials carefully, observing every word and its intended
effect, and you'll clearly see the calculated brainwashing involved.
>That's the biggest load of
>bovine product I've seen. We can't blame "society", whatever we
>perceive it to be, for choices we must ultimately make.
It does no good to "blame" others, either.  You can't control others, you
can only control yourself.  Do so, or keep quiet.  Blaming is idiotic.
>Personally, I give Andy much more credit than you do, Tim. He is not
>the victim you portray him to be. If he wants to be an ass, it is his
>right and his choice.
Do you really think anybody *consciously wants* to come across as an
asshole?  Think about it.
>I've come around, and I've changed some of my ideas. People like Andy
>have a right to be heard, and he has a place in this discussion list.
>Likewise, people have a right to reject those ideas, and openly
>criticize them. 
Sure, people have the right.  Also, people have the right to criticize
*criticizing*, observing that it solves nothing.  All I'm saying is that it
not only helps nothing, changes nothing at all, but it adds to the overall
"negative" atmosphere.  How exactly is your criticizing of Andy any
different from his criticizing of others?
Andy never called anyone a flaming a-hole.  It's interesting to see that it
isn't him but you that started "name calling," like a baby.  If you think
calling Andy a "flaming a-hole" is going to change him or help him, go
ahead.  Otherwise, admit that you're doing it for your personal ego
gratification.
Tim

Re: Suggestion about the list

>If he believes that, then *in a way* he's right.  Everyone *does* have a
>choice to react or not react to something another person says or does.
>Nobody can be *blamed* for the *reaction* of another.
*in a way*?
Why limit it?  The rest of your statement is IMO quite correct.  Even if 
someone sticks a gun up to my head, even if I can't physically stop them 
doing it, I still have a choice about how I react.
>Someone may hand me a poisoned apple, but I don't have to bite into it.  If
>I *don't* bite into it, then the person who handed it to me created their
>own "karma" and will suffer the results of that action.
Ah, bit of an unjustified jump there.  How do you *know* the apple is poisoned?
>If I *do* react, I willingly participate in the situation
>and thus become a *victim* of the situation.
Why characterise your role (in this hypothetical example) as "victim".  If 
it's your choice, what are you a victim of?
>However, the question does arise: Whether or not I accept a poisoned apple
>handed to me... why did the person hand it to me in the first place?
Wouldn't it be useful to establish whether or not the apple has been poisoned?
>Please don't count me in that group.  I honestly feel that Andy would
>benefit from counseling,
How kind.  Unfortunately this is based on a massive amount of assumption 
about me and my motives which are entirely unjustified other than as a 
matter of opinion.
>It's the result of an insecure ego, an ego that
>needs external validation and seeks that validation
>through conflict, through "bumping up against" the
>egos of others.  The world is full of people like this.
As a matter of interest, Tim, do you have some kind of 
training/qualification to back up this stuff?
>If you must blame, then blame the world, not him.  This
>society does not encourage self-knowledge or secure egos.
Unless you live in the South East of England, Tim, I don't live in your 
portion of  "this society" - unless you just mean the world in general.
Like so much of what you write, the words are all in a grammatically correct 
arrangement - but despite Ed's insistence on the purity of e-mail - the 
content doesn't bear close examination.
I really hope you guys will do the short story exercise.

Re: Suggestion about the list

Tim
I nearly forgot - 
>This society does not encourage self-knowledge or secure egos.
My wife says your comments regarding my ego are definitely insulting.
It has never, in her experience, been as small as a *single* galaxy.
;�)

RE: 3.0 suggestions

I am trying to get 2 voices to cross and change sides within the head and at
the same time expand. I want the crossings to happen several times and come
from beta to eventually delta. I am thinking of a major 3rd Therefore maybe
octaves of A in 1 voice and C# in another . I made a wav in cool edit to
keep an A chord repeating through out.
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 11:28
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or
> looking for.
> Sincerely
> Roger
>

RE: Suggestion about the list

I fully agree with Roger's point of view and I'm going to filter out Andy's 
messages. Thanks for the note.
Peter
At 05:44 AM 05/04/2000, you wrote:
>         Personally, it seem there is a very small minority who has to 
> rebuke or
>rebut most things that are said in this list. I would prefer these never
>ending critics would end. In particular Andy Bradbury.
>         I haven't seen a new preset submitted or talk about presets or 
> BGW3 or what
>people are experiencing with the technology. I don't mind spiritual subjects
>and long as it focuses on how it relates to the technology. But I do not
>find individuals who I consider abusive such as Andy's retorts and diatribes
>useful to what I am looking for.
>My solution is simply filter such individuals out of my email. I never see
>them . I really don't want to do this as I may miss something of interest to
>me. But so far I have seen anything constructive or of use to me from the
>ones I filtered out. I guess it really doesn't matter what direction the
>list takes or what subject matter it encompasses. I have expressed my
>personal desire, so this is what I am looking for. If we don't like what a
>particular person or persons add to the list, I suggest we simply choose to
>filter them out. Then maybe they will redirect there energies elsewhere.
>Roger
>
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Short Story - Part 2

For anyone 'coming in late', there is a 4 sentence short story below.  The 
idea is to read the story once, then start evaluating whether the 15 
statements which follow it are (individually, true (T), false (F) or cannot 
be evaluated either way due to lack of information.
To save anyone reading this the trouble of jumping between e-mails, here is 
the story again:
Short Story:
A businessman had just turned off the lights in the store when a man
appeared and demanded money.  The owner opened a cash register.  The
contents of the cash register were scooped up and the man sped away.  A
member of the police force was promptly notified.
|
|
V
And here are the answers:
1.  A man appeared after the owner had turned off his store lights.
     Answer *
How do we know that the "businessman" and the "owner" are the same person?
2.   The robber was a *man*.  
       Answer *
The person who came in after the lights were switched off was certainly a 
man.  But       where does it say this person was a "robber"?  He could have 
been the owner's       partner, a security guard, the landlord - who knows?
3.   The man who appeared did not demand money. 
      Answer F
Sure he did - see the last three words of the first sentence.
4.  The man who opened the cash register was the owner.
      Answer *
The person who turned off the lights was a "business*man*", and the
person who demanded money was a man, but was the "owner" a man?  We
certainly aren't told that s/he was.
5.   The store owner scooped up the contents of the cash register and ran away.
       Answer *
The story doesn't say who scooped up the contents of the register - it
doesn't have to have been the man who demanded money.
6.   Someone opened a cash register.
       Answer T
To be precise, "The owner opened a cash register" (second sentence).
7.   After the man who demanded the money scooped up the contents of the 
cash register, he ran away.
       Answer *
See 5.  We don't know who scooped up the contents of the register.  Nor
is "sped" synonymous with "ran". The man could have been on roller
skates, he could have jumped into a car.  There are all sorts of ways to
speed away.
8.   While the cash register did contain cash, the story doesn't say how
much.
       Answer *
Cerainly the man "demanded *money*", but we were never told what the
"contents" of the cash register were.
9.   The robber demanded money from the owner.
       Answer *
See the answer for statement 2.  We were never told about a "robber".
10.  A businessman had just turned off the lights when a man appeared in
the store.
       Answer *
We are told (sentence 1) "a man appeared".  He could have been hidden
somewhere inside the store, waiting for it to close, or he might have
"appeared" at a doorway or window.  There's nothing to say he "entered"
the store, nor that he didn't enter the store.
11.   It was broad daylight when the man appeared.
        Answer *
Many stores have their lights on all day, even when it's bright sunshine
outside.
12.  The man who appeared opened the cash register.
       Answer *
The man who appeared might have been the owner (ie the person who opened
the register), or not.  We aren't told.
13.  No-one demanded money.
       Answer  F
See statement 3.  The man who "appeared" definitely "demanded money"
(sentence 1).
14.  The story concerns a series of events in which only three people
are referred to:  the owner of the store, a man who demanded money, and
a member of the police force.
       Answer *
We are told about "a businessman", "a man (who 'appears')", "the owner"
and "a member of the police force".  That's a *possible* maximum of four
people, not three.  We don't have enough information to know if anyone
is mentioned by multiple titles.
15.  The following events were included in the story:  someone demanded
money, a cash register was opened, its contents were scooped up, and a
man dashed out of the story.
       Answer *
"A man dashed out of the store"?
We've already seen that there could be multiple interpretations of the
phrase "sped away" (comment on statement 7), and in the comment on
statement 10 we saw that "the man" didn't necessarily enter the store in
the first place (but then we don't know that the man who "appeared" is
actually the man who "sped away".
As you might have guessed, this exercise id deliberately desugned to 
demonstrate how much we read into things without any reasonable justification.
Quite contrary to Ed's claim about the "purity" of an e-mail, the written 
wording is just as potentially misleading as any other form of communication.
This particular exercise, by the way, is taken from a book called 'Teaching 
General Semantics' (ed. Mary Moran) (General Semantics being *one* of the 
foundations of NLP).  This particular item was devised by William V. Haney.  
Please give full attribution if you pass this to anyone outside the list.
I hope it was of interest.
Andy B.

Re: Monroe presets

Hello Everyone,
              In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
to a particular frequency much more easily because it
recognizes its own functional pattern.Just a note of
relevance to some of us that may not be completely
familiar with the technology.
Light, Life, Love
Dave
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Re: Monroe presets

At 01:50 AM 4/7/2000 +0300, you wrote:
>
>Hello Everyone,
>              In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
>that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
>look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
>simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
>on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
>crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
>to a particular frequency much more easily because it
>recognizes its own functional pattern.
Well, I look at it something like this - buy Bayer aspirin, or buy the
generic?  Both contain the same active ingredients.  The Hemi-Sync programs
are quite expensive, and while they may allow the brain to entrain "more
easily," and within the context of an externally-structured "system," I
personally have never had a single difficulty using simple sine waves or
the Cool Edit Pro algorithms to entrain.  Within 3-10 minutes, my
brainwaves are quite obviously entrained to whatever frequencies are selected.
So it's a matter of this to me: Be adventurous (inexpensively), or follow
some pre-set system for progressive entrainment, and pay a bundle.  I
choose the route of adventure.  Others may prefer Hemi-Sync, particularly
people who lead very busy lives and don't have the time or the patience to
learn the details of brainwave entrainment.  I still believe that someone
who really educates themselves thoroughly on brainwave entrainment (and
acquires the appropriate software and/or hardware needed) will be able to
approach very closely the effectiveness of Hemi-Sync.
Sincerely,
Tim

RE: Monroe presets

Thank you Dave,
In all the material I read On Hemi sync I never found that piece of info or
maybe I missed it. I am curious as to how they derived what a brain wave
looks like. From what I have seen it would be difficult to produce a
functional sound from of it. Its work like this I would love to see. I had a
decent EEG several years ago that could isolate out a band of brain waves
down to the .5 hertz and its printout didn't really give a discernable
waveform. I don't know if you or someone would have further info or can
maybe point me to a source for it. I would be appreciative.
I agree that most wave generators have limited function in what wave pattern
it puts out. I have found BGW3 gives you more choices in modifying the sine
wave but it is still limited to giving a symmetrical wave form. I personally
would like to see a saw tooth wave they could  be modified but it may be out
of the scope of equipment and programming.
I have taken an complex approach to producing a preset by using many voices
set to a harmonic scale and timing the modulations in accords to the
particular harmonic frequency to see if it would entrain better. SO far I
haven't received any feed back of whether this works or not.
Thank you
Roger Amburn
-----Original Message-----
From: D R [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Monroe presets
Hello Everyone,
              In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
to a particular frequency much more easily because it
recognizes its own functional pattern.Just a note of
relevance to some of us that may not be completely
familiar with the technology.
Light, Life, Love
Dave
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RE: 3.0 suggestions

I think I have tried to do what you are describing here in a preset to
certain extent, but I need some clarification from you. Do you want the
voices as in V1 & V2 to be in opposite ears and then cross over to the other
ear. Such V1 start in left  V2 starts in right and they both come together
in the middle and then V2 is left and V1 is right and you want that
modulation to expand in time as that preset runs? If that is what you want I
ran into difficulty trying to do get V1 & V2 to be in separate ears. I could
get them to go in 1 ear at a time but not to split at the same time. The
best I could to is to run the modulation at +135 & -135. I also found that
if you run the modulated voice with out Binaural beats and you set another
voice with the BB without modulation you get a better BB because it is
steady in the background. I am sending a test one to you. On voice 1 & 2 I
used a triangle wave to produce a ring like tone to hear the wave forms
better but it isn't necessity to keep it that way. I set the tones to what I
would believe are middle C# and lower A
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
I am trying to get 2 voices to cross and change sides within the head and at
the same time expand. I want the crossings to happen several times and come
from beta to eventually delta. I am thinking of a major 3rd Therefore maybe
octaves of A in 1 voice and C# in another . I made a wav in cool edit to
keep an A chord repeating through out. Im not a musician so I might not have
these exatly right.
Sincerely
Roger Amburn
P.S. I sent the preset to you personally but I also posted the message to
the list in case someone else is interested.
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 11:28
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or
> looking for.
> Sincerely
> Roger
>
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RE: 3.0 suggestions

Sorry about a seemingly double message but I wrote some things in the wrong
area and this one should be a little clearer.
I think I have tried to do what you are describing here in a preset to
certain extent, but I need some clarification from you. Do you want the
voices as in V1 & V2 to be in opposite ears and then cross over to the other
ear. Such V1 start in left  V2 starts in right and they both come together
in the middle and then V2 is left and V1 is right and you want that
modulation to expand in time as that preset runs? If that is what you want I
ran into difficulty trying to do get V1 & V2 to be in separate ears. I could
get them to go in 1 ear at a time but not to split at the same time. The
best I could to is to run the modulation at +135 & -135. I also found that
if you run the modulated voice with out Binaural beats and you set another
voice with the BB without modulation you get a better BB because it is
steady in the background. I am sending a test one to you. On voice 1 & 2 I
used a triangle wave to produce a ring like tone to hear the wave forms
better but it isn't necessity to keep it that way. I set the tones to what I
would believe are middle C# and lower A. I'm not a musician so I might not
have
these exactly right.
Sincerely
Roger Amburn
P.S. I sent the preset to you personally but I also posted the message to
the list in case someone else is interested.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
I am trying to get 2 voices to cross and change sides within the head and at
the same time expand. I want the crossings to happen several times and come
from beta to eventually delta. I am thinking of a major 3rd Therefore maybe
octaves of A in 1 voice and C# in another . I made a wav in cool edit to
keep an A chord repeating through out.
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 11:28
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or
> looking for.
> Sincerely
> Roger
>
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aum meditation

I don't remember the author of this file, but it seems to work great.
One thing I found that was so effective was the indian chant wave
file. It seems to make all of my presets more effective. It is
relaxing, but because it is not as constant as a random sound like
rain, surf, etc. it keeps the brain somewhat active while the body
goes to sleep. Several times, I can feel myself start to go to sleep,
and I just focus on the chant and it helps me focus again.

Re: Monroe presets

At 05:50 PM 4/6/2000 , you wrote:
>               In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
>that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
>look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
>simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
>on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
>crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
>to a particular frequency much more easily because it
>recognizes its own functional pattern.Just a note of
>relevance to some of us that may not be completely
>familiar with the technology.
If you look at the frequency-time content of some Monroe tapes with a 
frequency analysis tool like Gram (a great PC software freebie at 
http://www.monumental.com/rshorne/gram.html), you will find - for the most 
part- that they are composed of standard binaural beat sine waves. They 
also use the following:
1) A modified pink noise background is used. SoundForge 4.5 spectrum 
analysis plugin will give an accurate rendition of this, and CoolEdit Pro 
will allow to custom tailor white noise to match it, with the Transform/FFT 
filter tool.
2) All carrier frequencies have the volume turned down so that they are 
just inaudible below the noise. I reckon this is to minimize the 
distracting effect of the carriers: steady "soft" noise is easier to tune out.
3) Up to 7 binaural beat frequencies can run simultaneously. Typically, 
though, they use 2 or 3. When they are entraining at theta, they might use 
3.8, 3.9, and 4.1 Hz BB's simultaneously. I presume that this is because 
the EEG rarely has pure frequency theta, but rather has energy in a 
particular theta "band". Entraining with several "bunched" BB's is an 
approximation.
4) Amplitude modulation is sometimes used, with low delta frequencies (e.g. 
0.25 Hz and 0.5 Hz), e.g L: 50Hz carrier AM modulated at 0.25 Hz, R:50Hz 
carrier AM modulated at 0.50 Hz. This sort of modulation is usually present 
on sleep or deep relaxation tapes (e.g. Guide to Serenity).
5) Sometimes, super low frequency phasing is used on part of the noise 
component, with a period of about 8-12 seconds. I hypothesize this might be 
an attempt to entrain breathing into slowing down.
A lot of research has gone into developing their materials, and a lot can 
be learned by trying them and studying them :-) . The great mystery to me 
is the choice of carrier frequencies...
If anybody is interested, i'll post Todd's BWG Ver 3 Monroe presets, 
modified to  have the carriers just below the audible threshold, and with 
the modified pink noise background.
Regards, Eddy.

RE: Aum meditation

I was talking to someone today and they said they were experiencing
remembrances of near past events "i.e.. 2 to 3 weeks" that they forgot about
after listening to the Aum meditation, when they were sleeping.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Guidry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: aum meditation
I don't remember the author of this file, but it seems to work great.
One thing I found that was so effective was the indian chant wave
file. It seems to make all of my presets more effective. It is
relaxing, but because it is not as constant as a random sound like
rain, surf, etc. it keeps the brain somewhat active while the body
goes to sleep. Several times, I can feel myself start to go to sleep,
and I just focus on the chant and it helps me focus again.
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Re: Monroe presets

Tim the hardware and software is ??
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gerchmez <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Monroe presets
> At 01:50 AM 4/7/2000 +0300, you wrote:
> >
> >Hello Everyone,
> >              In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
> >that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
> >look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
> >simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
> >on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
> >crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
> >to a particular frequency much more easily because it
> >recognizes its own functional pattern.
>
> Well, I look at it something like this - buy Bayer aspirin, or buy the
> generic?  Both contain the same active ingredients.  The Hemi-Sync
programs
> are quite expensive, and while they may allow the brain to entrain "more
> easily," and within the context of an externally-structured "system," I
> personally have never had a single difficulty using simple sine waves or
> the Cool Edit Pro algorithms to entrain.  Within 3-10 minutes, my
> brainwaves are quite obviously entrained to whatever frequencies are
selected.
>
> So it's a matter of this to me: Be adventurous (inexpensively), or follow
> some pre-set system for progressive entrainment, and pay a bundle.  I
> choose the route of adventure.  Others may prefer Hemi-Sync, particularly
> people who lead very busy lives and don't have the time or the patience to
> learn the details of brainwave entrainment.  I still believe that someone
> who really educates themselves thoroughly on brainwave entrainment (and
> acquires the appropriate software and/or hardware needed) will be able to
> approach very closely the effectiveness of Hemi-Sync.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tim
>
>
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Re: Monroe presets

Dave wrote:
>In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
>that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
>look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
>simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
>on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
>crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
>to a particular frequency much more easily because it
>recognizes its own functional pattern.
Actually I think you might find that the human brain is remarkably flexible 
in being able to entrain to any wave type - though some may be more pleasant 
on the ear than others.
Remember, much of the work in this area has been done using music rather 
than dedicated tone generators (for want of a better generic title).
Lozanov's work in Suggestopaedia/Accelerated learning primarily stemmed from 
the discovery that the largo movements of Baroque chamber music are 
excellent for entraining the brain to a theta wave pattern (albeit somewhat 
imprecise compared with the effect you can creat with BWGen or CoolEdit, for 
example).
At the other end of the spectrum, people like Steve Halpern and Jeffrey 
Thompson have been aiming in the same direction with music based around 
synthesizers - along with other more traditional instruments.
It might be argued that the maximum effect is created not by specific 
waveshapes or even specific frequencies but by mixed bundles.
FWIW, one line of research suggests that a majority of westerners find the 
violin to be the most pleasant sounding of the traditional musical 
instruments (an this family of instruments - violas, cellos, etc. - are the 
dominant element in Baroque music).
Has anyone on the list tried modelling/synthesizing violin music, or any 
other instrument - as distinct from generating obviously electronic sound?

Re: Monroe presets (Eddy)

Where will you be posting the presets?
I'd be interested in trying them out.
Thanks,
Chris

Re: Monroe presets (Eddy)

At 08:45 AM 4/7/2000 , you wrote:
>Where will you be posting the presets?
>I'd be interested in trying them out.
Chris , I submitted them to be posted at Tim's site: 
http://getit.at/presets , under the v3.0 Presets directory. They should 
show up there soon.
Below are some guidelines that i've personally found useful to support 
experiencing these (and other) presets. They're based on my belief that the 
altered states of consciousness induced by BB technology are subtle 
experiences, which are enhanced by minimizing the stimulus, and maximizing 
relaxation. I've developed these guidelines for a Tibetan Meditation group 
i belong to, that expressed an interest in trying out this technology.
Note that this is a particular "Style" of doing things, and not the only 
one. A friend of mine uses presets while listening to stock market news, 
and meditating, all at once! And no masking noise on the carriers, 
either... :-)
=============================================================
GUIDELINES FOR USING BINAURAL BEAT TECHNOLOGY
POSTURE: Lie flat on your back, on a comfortable mattress in a quiet room. 
Your feet are about one and a half feet apart. Your hands are palms up or 
down (whatever feels more comfortable), and about half a foot from your 
legs. Alternatively, you can cross your palms on your chest.
Stretch around gently to find a position that you can maintain comfortably 
for the duration of the experience. At some point into the experience, you 
may feel like stretching - do it gently, so that you can then resume 
stillness, with the least disturbance to your experience.
This posture is known as Corpse Pose in Hatha Yoga. The idea is that your 
body is asleep, while your mind is awake.
Alternatively, you can use a sitting posture, although beginners will find 
it easier to relax lying on their back.
BREATHING: Breathe in a slow, deep, relaxed fashion. Use each out-breath to 
drain out any tension in the body.
SETTING: It is important to minimize external sensory stimuli, so either 
use an eye pillow to block all light (such as the one available at 
http://www.moreyoga.com/shop/relax.html), or darken the room.
The room temperature should be comfortable. Bear in mind that your body 
temperature will cool down some due to relaxation during the exercise, so a 
light blanket might be useful.
PLAYING THE SOUND: Please use comfortable stereo headphones, the type that 
covers the ear. The technology does not work quite as well with speakers 
(it's hard to keep your head right in the middle) or ear-buds (the low 
frequency response of these is not that good) . If headphones are not 
available, you can position speakers symmetrically around or behind the head.
Adjust the volume so that the sound volume
THE EXPERIENCE: You will begin to feel relaxed within a few minutes. What 
happens next depends very much on the individual. Some experience a deep 
relaxation; others report feelings of bliss, while others will have 
expanded awareness of energy movement in the body, or of space, or 
dream-like imagery. It is important to maintain awareness of the experience 
at all times.
//.

RE: Monroe presets

Hi Roger,
         What the researchers at the institute did was
to use several different brain wave patterns from
their explorers waking state etc., and come up with a
median pattern somewhere in-between. As far as
localizing a specific pattern........the difficulties
as far as I can see may be more easily overcome
depending on the sophisticatedness of the computer
hardware and software used. I am in the process of
doing the same type of thing, but with an educational
focus. Yes it would be highly instructive to see the
finished patterns, but alas that is probably
proprietary information.
Dave 
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Fw: New Virus

----- Original Message -----
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Cc: Samual Mctigue <[email protected]>; Melling, Lindsay A
<[email protected]>; Me, Myself and I <[email protected]>; Kevin &
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Subject: Fw: New Virus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Date: 07 April 2000 16:38
> Subject: FW: New Virus
>
>
> >
> >
> >
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> >07/04/2000 17:30
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Your
> >> > hard
> >> > drive will crash and someone from the Internet will get your screen
> >name
> >> > and
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> >Internet.
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is
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> >> > for it at this time.
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Re: Monroe presets and Chakra instruments

In Esoteric teachings it is said that the chakras are stimulated by various
musical instruments, Base-Drum, Seat of Soul-Flute or Woodwind, Solar
Plexus-Organ, Heart-Harp or Inner chamber-Harpsicord, Throat-Brass, Third
Eye-Piano and Interestingly enough The Crown-Strings.
Food for thought
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Bradbury <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Monroe presets
> Dave wrote:
>
> >In regards to the "Monroe" presets, note
> >that the hemi-sync signals that the Institute uses
> >look more like natural brainwave patterns than the
> >simple sine waves that a lot of brainwave technology
> >on the market are able to deliver. This simplepoint is
> >crucial in understanding that the brain would entrain
> >to a particular frequency much more easily because it
> >recognizes its own functional pattern.
>
> Actually I think you might find that the human brain is remarkably
flexible
> in being able to entrain to any wave type - though some may be more
pleasant
> on the ear than others.
>
> Remember, much of the work in this area has been done using music rather
> than dedicated tone generators (for want of a better generic title).
>
> Lozanov's work in Suggestopaedia/Accelerated learning primarily stemmed
from
> the discovery that the largo movements of Baroque chamber music are
> excellent for entraining the brain to a theta wave pattern (albeit
somewhat
> imprecise compared with the effect you can creat with BWGen or CoolEdit,
for
> example).
>
> At the other end of the spectrum, people like Steve Halpern and Jeffrey
> Thompson have been aiming in the same direction with music based around
> synthesizers - along with other more traditional instruments.
>
> It might be argued that the maximum effect is created not by specific
> waveshapes or even specific frequencies but by mixed bundles.
>
> FWIW, one line of research suggests that a majority of westerners find the
> violin to be the most pleasant sounding of the traditional musical
> instruments (an this family of instruments - violas, cellos, etc. - are
the
> dominant element in Baroque music).
>
> Has anyone on the list tried modelling/synthesizing violin music, or any
> other instrument - as distinct from generating obviously electronic sound?
>
>
>
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Re: Monroe presets and Chakra instruments

In a message dated 4/7/00 7:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:
<< n Esoteric teachings it is said that the chakras are stimulated by various
 musical instruments, Base-Drum, Seat of Soul-Flute or Woodwind, Solar
 Plexus-Organ, Heart-Harp or Inner chamber-Harpsicord, Throat-Brass, Third
 Eye-Piano and Interestingly enough The Crown-Strings.
  Food for thought
 >>
Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
-dragon

Re: Fw: New Virus

Thank you very much for being concerned enough to send the warning about the 
Budweiser frogs screensaver.
However, I'm afraid someone has taken advantage of you in that this is a 
HOAX virus alert.  To quote from the Symantec hoax virus warning website:
>BUDSAVER.EXE is not a virus. It is a hoax.
>The "virus" does not exist.  There is currently
>no virus that has the characteristics ascribed to
>BUDSAVER.EXE. It is a sham, meant only to
>panic new or inexperienced computer users.
>The hoax message includes one of the following "warnings": 
>READ THIS MESSAGE IMMEDIATELY
>Someone is sending out a screen-saver of
>the Budweiser frogs.  If  you download it,
>you will lose everything!  Your hard drive
>will crash and someone from the Internet
>will get your screen  name and password!
>DO  NOT   DOWNLOAD IT UNDER ANY
>CIRCUMSTANCES!  It just went into circulation
>yesterday, as far as we know.  Please
>distribute this message.
Any time you receive a virus warning it is worth checking at this site first:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
to see if it is a known hoax.
(Scroll down on the initial page and you will find a section that allows you 
to search on one or more key words.)
To anyone on the list - PLEASE don't pass the virus warning on.  That's 
exactly what the fershluginer wozak who wrote it wants - and it just wastes 
everyone's time.

Re: Monroe presets and Chakra instruments

>In Esoteric teachings it is said that the chakras are stimulated by various
>musical instruments, Base-Drum, Seat of Soul-Flute or Woodwind, Solar
>Plexus-Organ, Heart-Harp or Inner chamber-Harpsicord, Throat-Brass, Third
>Eye-Piano and Interestingly enough The Crown-Strings.
>
>Food for thought
>
>Jeff
Very interesting.  Thanks Jeff

RE: 3.0 suggestions

Thank you so much for your time and interest. I am experimenting with you
test as I am with one I made myself . Your question has been great as I am
led to further thought. The one I was working on is to change ears with the
two voices but the possibilities are open as it is an idea in the process of
becoming , again thank you for your help and interest, I will get back to
you soon.
regards
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Friday, 7 April 2000 10:31
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> Sorry about a seemingly double message but I wrote some things in
> the wrong
> area and this one should be a little clearer.
>
> I think I have tried to do what you are describing here in a preset to
> certain extent, but I need some clarification from you. Do you want the
> voices as in V1 & V2 to be in opposite ears and then cross over
> to the other
> ear. Such V1 start in left  V2 starts in right and they both come together
> in the middle and then V2 is left and V1 is right and you want that
> modulation to expand in time as that preset runs? If that is what
> you want I
> ran into difficulty trying to do get V1 & V2 to be in separate
> ears. I could
> get them to go in 1 ear at a time but not to split at the same time. The
> best I could to is to run the modulation at +135 & -135. I also found that
> if you run the modulated voice with out Binaural beats and you set another
> voice with the BB without modulation you get a better BB because it is
> steady in the background. I am sending a test one to you. On voice 1 & 2 I
> used a triangle wave to produce a ring like tone to hear the wave forms
> better but it isn't necessity to keep it that way. I set the
> tones to what I
> would believe are middle C# and lower A. I'm not a musician so I might not
> have
> these exactly right.
> Sincerely
> Roger Amburn
>
> P.S. I sent the preset to you personally but I also posted the message to
> the list in case someone else is interested.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:48 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> I am trying to get 2 voices to cross and change sides within the
> head and at
> the same time expand. I want the crossings to happen several
> times and come
> from beta to eventually delta. I am thinking of a major 3rd
> Therefore maybe
> octaves of A in 1 voice and C# in another . I made a wav in cool edit to
> keep an A chord repeating through out.
>
>
> Paul Marlow
> Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
> PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
> NSW�� 2126
> Australia
> Ph. (02) 9680 1000
> www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> > Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 11:28
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
> >
> >
> > I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or
> > looking for.
> > Sincerely
> > Roger
> >
>
>
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RE: 3.0 suggestions

Hi Paul
	I look forward to your comments and insights. I had a interesting
experience with that preset I made with 4 voices. Usually I don't have any
profound experience with presets like some people have. I have been using
them more for self hypnosis to get directly into the subconscious. I thought
I would try the preset out of curiosity and I used it to go to sleep on
Thursday night running it for 1/2 hour. I changed the preset and moved the 2
BB voices to a sub octave of C# & A. I didn't experience anything noticeable
listening to it that night  but Friday was a really strange day for me. I
found my brain was abnormally quiet and I had some difficulty with motor
functions i.e. walking ect.  It was like I was mildly drunk. I'm wondering
if my mind was hung over in theta or something. It was an interesting
experience and I think I can relate to how maybe some handicapped people
feel. They're mind is there but their body isn't in sync with their mind.
I'll have to experiment and see if this is a continued experience with this
preset or if maybe it was something else. I felt like I could have gone to a
hill top and sat and communed with the Devine directly that day. Also my
time sync was really off. It seemed everyone was moving faster than I was.
It was like I was in slow motion. I'm going to wait for a weekend to try it
again. I don't want to have to work and deal with the same experience if it
was the preset that caused it. LOL
Sincerely
Roger
P.S. If anyone is interested in trying this preset. I will post it to
http://www.bwgen.com/forums/w-agora.php3?site=bwgen As Paul test2. If you do
give feed back on it whether it did anything or not as it will help Paul and
I in Paul's project.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 6:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
Thank you so much for your time and interest. I am experimenting with you
test as I am with one I made myself . Your question has been great as I am
led to further thought. The one I was working on is to change ears with the
two voices but the possibilities are open as it is an idea in the process of
becoming , again thank you for your help and interest, I will get back to
you soon.
regards
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Friday, 7 April 2000 10:31
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> Sorry about a seemingly double message but I wrote some things in
> the wrong
> area and this one should be a little clearer.
>
> I think I have tried to do what you are describing here in a preset to
> certain extent, but I need some clarification from you. Do you want the
> voices as in V1 & V2 to be in opposite ears and then cross over
> to the other
> ear. Such V1 start in left  V2 starts in right and they both come together
> in the middle and then V2 is left and V1 is right and you want that
> modulation to expand in time as that preset runs? If that is what
> you want I
> ran into difficulty trying to do get V1 & V2 to be in separate
> ears. I could
> get them to go in 1 ear at a time but not to split at the same time. The
> best I could to is to run the modulation at +135 & -135. I also found that
> if you run the modulated voice with out Binaural beats and you set another
> voice with the BB without modulation you get a better BB because it is
> steady in the background. I am sending a test one to you. On voice 1 & 2 I
> used a triangle wave to produce a ring like tone to hear the wave forms
> better but it isn't necessity to keep it that way. I set the
> tones to what I
> would believe are middle C# and lower A. I'm not a musician so I might not
> have
> these exactly right.
> Sincerely
> Roger Amburn
>
> P.S. I sent the preset to you personally but I also posted the message to
> the list in case someone else is interested.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:48 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> I am trying to get 2 voices to cross and change sides within the
> head and at
> the same time expand. I want the crossings to happen several
> times and come
> from beta to eventually delta. I am thinking of a major 3rd
> Therefore maybe
> octaves of A in 1 voice and C# in another . I made a wav in cool edit to
> keep an A chord repeating through out.
>
>
> Paul Marlow
> Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
> PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
> NSW�� 2126
> Australia
> Ph. (02) 9680 1000
> www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> > Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 11:28
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
> >
> >
> > I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or
> > looking for.
> > Sincerely
> > Roger
> >
>
>
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Entrainment

An address that might be of interest to some people on the list:
DANCING WITH THE WHOLE: 
A THEORY OF CREATIVE ENTRAINMENT 
By
�1997 Carlisle Bergquist, MFCC, Ph.D.c.
http://www.enterquest.com/trees/dance1.htm#_Toc363199401

Re: Monroe presets (Eddy)

At 08:45 AM 4/7/2000 , you wrote:
>Where will you be posting the presets?
>I'd be interested in trying them out.
Tim's server is space-limited, so i posted the noise-masked Monroe Presets 
at http://209.249.143.219/presetsv3/foc3to27.zip (it's an 900k download).
These presets have the carriers masked by noise, and can afford people who 
are distracted by having to listen to the carriers (like people who may try 
to meditate while listening) the opportunity to benefit from BB technology. 
These work even if listened to at very low volume, so they are meant to 
minimally disturb a meditative effort.
The accompanying noise file has a spectrum that is modified from pink 
noise, to sound very soft, and non-obtrusive. The carriers are set to be 
inaudible against the included noise background file, and may not be so 
with other noise backgrounds.
please give'em a whirl!

Re: mono speakers

Hi All,
You can find a lot of links and downloads at the site :
 BrainWaveMasterLinks
Regards,emr
"Rogers, Darryl" wrote:
>
>
> Shlonex,
>
> My opinion is that you would get almost no effect at all from monaural
> sound.
>
> The proper way to run BWgen is with stereo headphones.
>
> Even using stereo speakers will reduce the effect of the program on
> your brain activity. The reason is that you don't want the two
> different frequencies on the left and right stereo channels to
> intermingle--you want to get a pure tone in the left ear and a pure
> tone in the right ear.
>
> Here's why: for example, if you were trying to induce a 10 cycles per
> sec (hertz) brain wave frequency (Alpha state) in your brain, you
> would want to input a 10 cps signal directly into your brain and hope
> to "coax" your brain frequency down to match that freqency. One
> obvious way to input that frequency is through your ears; however, the
> human ear cannot hear a tone that low.
>
> The solution, which I believe was originally discovered by Robert
> Monroe, was to use the principle of "beat frequencies"--two slightly
> different frequencies beating together to form a third frequency. For
> example, the ear has no problem hearing a 400 cps tone. Therefore, you
> might decide to listen to a 400 cps tone in your left ear and a 410
> cps tone in your right ear. These frequencies tend to beat together in
> your brain to form a third frequency of 10 cps (410 - 400 = 10). Thus,
> you not only hear a "wooooooo" in your left ear and a "weeeeee" in
> your right ear, but you also hear a "wow-wow-wow-wow-wow" at 10 cps.
> This solves the problem of inputing a low frequency into the brain via
> the ears.
>
> BrainWave Generator has improved on this technique by using the
> computer to slowly "sweep" the frequencies downward--beginning in the
> higher beta frequencies (20 to 30 cps normally) and slowly decreasing
> down into the alpha frequencies or even lower. This "gentle coaxing"
> of the brain down from it's "normal" state is probably more effective
> that just "slapping it" with a sudden frequency change.
>
> Bottom line:  you need stereo HEADPHONES to use BWgen effectively.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shlonex [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 10:43 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: mono speakers
>
> Hi,
>
> Does bwgen work on mono speakers ?
>
> I have stereo sound system but I'm running it through a microphone
> input
> (it's the only input in this system). As a result I have two speakers
> but
> with mono sound.
>
> Does is _have to_ be stereo ?
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> shlonex
>
>
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test

RE: 3.0 suggestions

Hi,
 I can't try the preset as it is V.3 and though I have a copy I cannot
import as I am not a registered Beta tester.
I have V.2 registered. Thanks for your effort though I should post my preset
I am working on which is composed on V.3. It needs a wave file to go with it
. I will look for a spot to put it.
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
NSW�� 2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2000 6:34
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> Hi Paul
> 	I look forward to your comments and insights. I had a interesting
> experience with that preset I made with 4 voices. Usually I don't have any
> profound experience with presets like some people have. I have been using
> them more for self hypnosis to get directly into the
> subconscious. I thought
> I would try the preset out of curiosity and I used it to go to sleep on
> Thursday night running it for 1/2 hour. I changed the preset and
> moved the 2
> BB voices to a sub octave of C# & A. I didn't experience anything
> noticeable
> listening to it that night  but Friday was a really strange day for me. I
> found my brain was abnormally quiet and I had some difficulty with motor
> functions i.e. walking ect.  It was like I was mildly drunk. I'm wondering
> if my mind was hung over in theta or something. It was an interesting
> experience and I think I can relate to how maybe some handicapped people
> feel. They're mind is there but their body isn't in sync with their mind.
> I'll have to experiment and see if this is a continued experience
> with this
> preset or if maybe it was something else. I felt like I could
> have gone to a
> hill top and sat and communed with the Devine directly that day. Also my
> time sync was really off. It seemed everyone was moving faster than I was.
> It was like I was in slow motion. I'm going to wait for a weekend
> to try it
> again. I don't want to have to work and deal with the same
> experience if it
> was the preset that caused it. LOL
> Sincerely
> Roger
>
> P.S. If anyone is interested in trying this preset. I will post it to
> http://www.bwgen.com/forums/w-agora.php3?site=bwgen As Paul
> test2. If you do
> give feed back on it whether it did anything or not as it will
> help Paul and
> I in Paul's project.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 6:24 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
>
>
> Thank you so much for your time and interest. I am experimenting with you
> test as I am with one I made myself . Your question has been great as I am
> led to further thought. The one I was working on is to change
> ears with the
> two voices but the possibilities are open as it is an idea in the
> process of
> becoming , again thank you for your help and interest, I will get back to
> you soon.
> regards
> Paul Marlow
> Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
> PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
> NSW�� 2126
> Australia
> Ph. (02) 9680 1000
> www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> > Sent: Friday, 7 April 2000 10:31
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
> >
> >
> > Sorry about a seemingly double message but I wrote some things in
> > the wrong
> > area and this one should be a little clearer.
> >
> > I think I have tried to do what you are describing here in a preset to
> > certain extent, but I need some clarification from you. Do you want the
> > voices as in V1 & V2 to be in opposite ears and then cross over
> > to the other
> > ear. Such V1 start in left  V2 starts in right and they both
> come together
> > in the middle and then V2 is left and V1 is right and you want that
> > modulation to expand in time as that preset runs? If that is what
> > you want I
> > ran into difficulty trying to do get V1 & V2 to be in separate
> > ears. I could
> > get them to go in 1 ear at a time but not to split at the same time. The
> > best I could to is to run the modulation at +135 & -135. I also
> found that
> > if you run the modulated voice with out Binaural beats and you
> set another
> > voice with the BB without modulation you get a better BB because it is
> > steady in the background. I am sending a test one to you. On
> voice 1 & 2 I
> > used a triangle wave to produce a ring like tone to hear the wave forms
> > better but it isn't necessity to keep it that way. I set the
> > tones to what I
> > would believe are middle C# and lower A. I'm not a musician so
> I might not
> > have
> > these exactly right.
> > Sincerely
> > Roger Amburn
> >
> > P.S. I sent the preset to you personally but I also posted the
> message to
> > the list in case someone else is interested.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Marlow [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:48 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
> >
> >
> > I am trying to get 2 voices to cross and change sides within the
> > head and at
> > the same time expand. I want the crossings to happen several
> > times and come
> > from beta to eventually delta. I am thinking of a major 3rd
> > Therefore maybe
> > octaves of A in 1 voice and C# in another . I made a wav in cool edit to
> > keep an A chord repeating through out.
> >
> >
> > Paul Marlow
> > Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
> > PO Box 122� CHERRYBROOK
> > NSW�� 2126
> > Australia
> > Ph. (02) 9680 1000
> > www.inala.org.au <http://www.inala.org.au>
> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of QCC
> > > Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 11:28
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: 3.0 suggestions
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to hear more about this and what you are doing or
> > > looking for.
> > > Sincerely
> > > Roger
> > >
> >
> >
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monroe frequencies

Hello, I just joined the list and figure I could help.
Someone posted the monroe frequency list to the monroe institute voyagers
email list some years back. I heard about this and contacted someone from
the list and they sent it to me.
I would be more than happy to send it to this list, if it is legal and I
won't get into any trouble.
What do you all think?
Also, the person who posted this link:
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/mindvoyages/bmvfeedback.html
I ordered the cd's... they were pretty expensive for my college budget. The
guy seems legit and has a nice free site at http://how.to/luciddream
I have talked to him through email about different things and came across
the Astral CD's and figured I would give it a shot. I haven't received them
yet but I will post something to the list if they work.
Josh

Re: monroe frequencies

At 09:42 PM 4/18/2000 , you wrote:
>Hello, I just joined the list and figure I could help.
>Someone posted the monroe frequency list to the monroe institute voyagers
>email list some years back. I heard about this and contacted someone from
>the list and they sent it to me.
>I would be more than happy to send it to this list, if it is legal and I
>won't get into any trouble.
>What do you all think?
Hi Josh! IMO, i don't think this should be any problem - several people 
have already posted various Monroe Freqs to this list, as well as presets 
inspired by them.
IMO, as long as the intent is individual experimentation, and not 
commercialization, I don't think the Monroe Institute would mind. They're a 
non-profit organization solely dedicated to research into states of 
consciousness...an incredible place!
Welcome to the list!
Regards, Eddy. 

Re: monroe frequencies

How timely.  I just joined too.  I am about to purchase the OOB Astral Trance
CD.  Tell me how they work for you.  And thanks for the tip on the site.
--Nancy
Josh Miers wrote:
> Hello, I just joined the list and figure I could help.
> Someone posted the monroe frequency list to the monroe institute voyagers
> email list some years back. I heard about this and contacted someone from
> the list and they sent it to me.
> I would be more than happy to send it to this list, if it is legal and I
> won't get into any trouble.
> What do you all think?
>
> Also, the person who posted this link:
> http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/mindvoyages/bmvfeedback.html
>
> I ordered the cd's... they were pretty expensive for my college budget. The
> guy seems legit and has a nice free site at http://how.to/luciddream
> I have talked to him through email about different things and came across
> the Astral CD's and figured I would give it a shot. I haven't received them
> yet but I will post something to the list if they work.  --Josh

RE: monroe frequencies

Here's the frequency list. Now, if I close my eyes and wish real hard, maybe
a copy of bwgen beta 3 will appear in my inbox...
Josh
Focus Levels/Frequencies
F3 59[1.2]-110[1.3], 288[3.7]
F10 100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0]
F12 100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 400[10.0],
500[10.1], 600[4.8]
F15 100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 500[7.05],
630[7.1], 750[7.0]
F21 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 600[16.2], 750[15.9],
900[16.2]
F22 Same as F21
F23 400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[3.9], 900[4.0]
F24 50[0.75], 400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0],
900[4.0]
F25 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F26 400[3.9], 503[4.2], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F27 Same as F26
Example: The notation 503[4.2] should be understood to
represent a beat frequency of 4.2 Hz between two
carriers equally separated from 503 Hz (i.e., 500.9
and 505.1 Hz).
Amplitudes are generally maintained about 20 dB above
background 1/f (pink) noise and/or surf.

Re: monroe frequencies

I don't remember now who posted the Monroe presets reworked with louder noise 
and lower volume on the voices, but whoever you are, thanks.  I've changed 
many of the other presets I have to reflect the same changes and have noticed 
that they seem more effective.  I wonder why carriers embedded in noise are 
more effective?  To those of you who are new, I suggest you check the 
archives of this list.  There are presets and background sounds out there 
that are pretty neat.  
                        -Nancy B 

Re: monroe frequencies

At 06:25 AM 4/22/2000 , you wrote:
>I don't remember now who posted the Monroe presets reworked with louder noise
>and lower volume on the voices,
Dear Nancy: there are two versions of the Monroe presets w/louder noise and 
lower volumes: one with all voice volumes set to 1%, and the other with 
voice volumes set to various numbers, to get them to be just below the 
audible threshold. Which  one did you use?
>   I've changed
>many of the other presets I have to reflect the same changes and have noticed
>that they seem more effective.  I wonder why carriers embedded in noise are
>more effective?
One theory i subscribe to is that the changes in mental states induced by 
BB's are subtle in nature, and thus easily "scared away" by continous 
beeping tones, which sound like a stuck (or sliding) chord on a synthesizer.
The noise, on the other hand, is easy to tune out, just like rain, or a 
brook.
The noise contains so many frequencies that the brain has no "hook" on any 
information content, and gives up trying to focus on the stimulus.
The amazing thing for me is that these presets work even if you play them 
at VERY low volume.
The contrarian theory says that you are dumping "entrainment energy" into 
you system (ie brain), and the more focused the energy (ie no noise, just 
pure voices), the stronger the response.
My feeling is that these two styles of doing BB's yield quite different 
experiences. Has anybody had direct experience with both styles, and would 
care to comment?

Re: monroe frequencies

This sound exciting, were are the pre-sets and are they just for bwg3
Jeff
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Eddy Philippe=20
  To: [email protected]=20
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 3:18 PM
  Subject: Re: monroe frequencies
  At 06:25 AM 4/22/2000 , you wrote:
    I don't remember now who posted the Monroe presets reworked with =
louder noise=20
    and lower volume on the voices,=20
  Dear Nancy: there are two versions of the Monroe presets w/louder =
noise and lower volumes: one with all voice volumes set to 1%, and the =
other with voice volumes set to various numbers, to get them to be just =
below the audible threshold. Which  one did you use?
      I've changed=20
    many of the other presets I have to reflect the same changes and =
have noticed=20
    that they seem more effective.  I wonder why carriers embedded in =
noise are=20
    more effective?
  One theory i subscribe to is that the changes in mental states induced =
by BB's are subtle in nature, and thus easily "scared away" by continous =
beeping tones, which sound like a stuck (or sliding) chord on a =
synthesizer.
  The noise, on the other hand, is easy to tune out, just like rain, or =
a brook.  =20
  The noise contains so many frequencies that the brain has no "hook" on =
any information content, and gives up trying to focus on the stimulus.
  The amazing thing for me is that these presets work even if you play =
them at VERY low volume.
  The contrarian theory says that you are dumping "entrainment energy" =
into you system (ie brain), and the more focused the energy (ie no =
noise, just pure voices), the stronger the response.
  My feeling is that these two styles of doing BB's yield quite =
different experiences. Has anybody had direct experience with both =
styles, and would care to comment?

Re: monroe frequencies

At 02:05 PM 4/22/2000 , you wrote:
>This sound exciting, were are the pre-sets and are they just for bwg3
The ones with voice volumes set to just below threshold are at:
  http://209.249.143.219/presetsv3/foc3to27.zip (it's an 900k download).
>...and are they just for bwg3
Yes, but you won't have much longer to wait :=).
Regards, Eddy. 

Re: monroe frequencies

I've been using the (Monroe) presets set just below the audible threshold.  
Tones alone do seem to work for me, but the experience doesn't seem as 
intense. (besides, plain tones without noise often give me a headache) 
Embedding the carriers in noise really seems to work well for me.  I suspect 
that people may be different in their preferences.  It is much easier to just 
relax and ignore the sounds completely when they sound like a waterfall or 
wind.  Once I can do that the whole experience becomes more intense.  In 
fact, I was starting to adjust presets to include more noise and less carrier 
volume before you posted the adjusted Monroe presets.  I wasn't taking the 
concept far enough, though.  I'm glad there are folks on this list who know 
their audio.  I just fumble around until I stumble on something that works 
for me.  I've been using the background sound file (Noise Soft 8b) for other 
presets as well.  Technology is great, isn't it?
                                    -Nancy B

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Audiostrobe

Can anyone tell me if Bwg3 will contain a feature for programming =
audiostrobe.  Also, is Bwg3 still on time for release in the first week =
of May?
Roy McKee

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