Re: Play into wav file.

At 04:51 PM 1/31/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I'm a new user of BrainWave Generator.
>
>I want save into wav file my preset whit eight segments (play into wav
>file), but only save segment number one, the rest of segments are in
>silence.
Couldn't you just export the preset, delete the other segments, play into a
wave file, then delete and re-import the preset?  Or, set the volume of the
rest of the segments to zero?
Tim
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Re: Mugwort again...

[email protected] escribió:
> An herb that helps you dream. I have had more vivid dreams lately, but
> nothing earth-shattering or approaching OBE or lucid.
For that i preffer Passiflora Incarnata flowers. it's a very powerfull
relaxant.

Links

Here is some links:
|---| miscellaneous |---
|
|LED flasher (some assembly required)
|archive: csync.zip (22,332 bytes)
|info: csync_readme.txt
|
|Another flasher
|archive: strobe.zip (43,189 bytes)
|info: strobe.txt
|
|various trippy light/sound combinations
|archive: pc-dope.zip (21,056 bytes)
|info: pc-dope.txt
|
|----> www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/msdos/graphics/eye_candy/
|HYPNOGOGIC trance
|
|----> www.people.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/liftoff.html
Where I can find this DeltaPro thing? Could somebody please
upload it somewhere.
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Re: Links

Hey that HYPNOGOGIC trance thing, has anyone tried it? does it work?
-----Original Message-----
From: l l <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Links
>Here is some links:
>
>|---| miscellaneous |---
>|
>|LED flasher (some assembly required)
>|archive: csync.zip (22,332 bytes)
>|info: csync_readme.txt
>|
>|Another flasher
>|archive: strobe.zip (43,189 bytes)
>|info: strobe.txt
>|
>|various trippy light/sound combinations
>|archive: pc-dope.zip (21,056 bytes)
>|info: pc-dope.txt
>|
>|----> www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/msdos/graphics/eye_candy/
>
>|HYPNOGOGIC trance
>|
>|----> www.people.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/liftoff.html
>
>
>Where I can find this DeltaPro thing? Could somebody please
>upload it somewhere.
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Re: Links

What's really cool is to combine the trance music with some of the eye
candy....wooooooaahhhh...
>Hey that HYPNOGOGIC trance thing, has anyone tried it? does it work?
>>|
>>|----> www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/msdos/graphics/eye_candy/
>>
>>|HYPNOGOGIC trance
>>|
>>|----> www.people.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/liftoff.html
>>
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Re: Links

Hi all,
took some looking but here you go
Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I think includes
Alpha, Delta and Theta
Bill
http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe
"Lori and Eric" <[email protected]> on 02/01/2000 04:36:42 PM
Please respond to [email protected]
To:   [email protected]
cc:    (bcc: Bill D. Baker/MCLEOD)
Subject:  Re: Links
Hey that HYPNOGOGIC trance thing, has anyone tried it? does it work?
-----Original Message-----
From: l l <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Links
>Here is some links:
>
>|---| miscellaneous |---
>|
>|LED flasher (some assembly required)
>|archive: csync.zip (22,332 bytes)
>|info: csync_readme.txt
>|
>|Another flasher
>|archive: strobe.zip (43,189 bytes)
>|info: strobe.txt
>|
>|various trippy light/sound combinations
>|archive: pc-dope.zip (21,056 bytes)
>|info: pc-dope.txt
>|
>|----> www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/msdos/graphics/eye_candy/
>
>|HYPNOGOGIC trance
>|
>|----> www.people.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/liftoff.html
>
>
>Where I can find this DeltaPro thing? Could somebody please
>upload it somewhere.
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Re: Links

Hi Bill,
Thank you for your effort but I am still looking for DeltaPro...
Who Ever
----------------------------------------------------------
>Hi all,
>took some looking but here you go
>Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I think includes 
>Alpha, Delta and Theta
>
>Bill
>http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe
>
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RE: Links

I tried it at work and did not experience anything profound.  Perhaps it was
the work environment.  Anyway it is a very short cut.  I don't think it runs
long enough to do anything.  The type of sound is very much in the line of
the Monroe Institute's tapes.  Binaural beats.  Binaural works quite well if
it is long enough.  Maybe you could loop 'Liftoff'.
Lexi Siimes
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ategory_id=27&subcategory_id=36&id=63186
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lori and Eric [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 6:37 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Links
>
>
> Hey that HYPNOGOGIC trance thing, has anyone tried it? does it work?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: l l <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Links
>
>
> >Here is some links:
> >
> >|---| miscellaneous |---
> >|
> >|LED flasher (some assembly required)
> >|archive: csync.zip (22,332 bytes)
> >|info: csync_readme.txt
> >|
> >|Another flasher
> >|archive: strobe.zip (43,189 bytes)
> >|info: strobe.txt
> >|
> >|various trippy light/sound combinations
> >|archive: pc-dope.zip (21,056 bytes)
> >|info: pc-dope.txt
> >|
> >|----> www.hyperreal.org/intersection/tools/msdos/graphics/eye_candy/
> >
> >|HYPNOGOGIC trance
> >|
> >|----> www.people.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/liftoff.html
> >
> >
> >Where I can find this DeltaPro thing? Could somebody please
> >upload it somewhere.
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 Shortcut to liftoff.mp3.lnk

mp3 to .wav converter?

Can anyone recommend a utility/program to convert .mp3 format files to .wav
files?  I want to burn a CD with some .mp3 files I have seen.
Thanks.
BTW, any news on when the next version of BWGen might be out?
Dave
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Re: mp3 to .wav converter?

Go to musicmatch.com, they have a pretty good mp3 converter.
Matt

Re: mp3 to .wav converter?

--- David Swagler <[email protected]> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a utility/program to convert
> .mp3 format files to .wav
> files?  I want to burn a CD with some .mp3 files I
> have seen.
You might have one already and not know it: Winamp
(free) has a built-in library for decoding to WAV:
1. View Preferences (Ctrl-P), and select 'Output'
under the 'Plug-Ins' heading.
2. Select 'Nullsoft Disk Writer plug-in', and click
'Configure'; this allows you to select the directory
where WAV files will be stored.  Click 'OK.'
3. Open an MP3 and play it per usual; you will hear
nothing, but the progress bar and counter will chart
the decoding progress.  On a machine with a decent
CPU/FPU, the process only takes a few seconds.
Just be sure to switch the output plug-in back to
either DirectSound or waveOut after you're done...
unless of course you only use Winamp for writing WAVs.
cheers,
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Re: Links

Alphapro, thetapro and deltapro can now be found on my virtual drive at =
www.filesanywhere.com user name mystx, password brainwave
John
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: l l=20
  To: [email protected]=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Links
  Hi Bill,
  Thank you for your effort but I am still looking for DeltaPro...
  Who Ever
  ----------------------------------------------------------
  >Hi all,
  >took some looking but here you go
  >Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I think =
includes=20
  >Alpha, Delta and Theta
  >
  >Bill
  >http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe
  >
  >
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Re: mp3 to .wav converter?

Thats what I was going to recommend.  I just got that program the other
day and it will let you record from CD, Line in, microphone, or your PC's
Stereo Mixer.  But dont' do like I did and buy it.  I paid $30 for it at
Walmart and I got the same version that I can download for free on the
internet.  It is a great program for recording but its kind of hard to use
for playing back and organizing your songs.
Tim
[email protected] wrote:
> Go to musicmatch.com, they have a pretty good mp3 converter.
> Matt
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Transducer Type Device

OK  here is a tester !!! I work with the voice here in the UK by giving =
back frequencies that are missing, hence balancing the voice with brain =
wave frequencies.
However many individuals and especially children find it difficult to =
take the sound through headphones for a prolonged period.
Question is has anyone come across or know of a device that I can put =
into my PC headphone outlet that will change the sound the vibration so =
as the client actually fels the vibration rather than hears it.
I also have a frequency generator that works on low Frequency Waves that =
I use so maybe even an external device that may do the trick??
Help would be appreciated in locating such a device?
Kind Regards
Jeff
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 8:57 PM
  Subject: Re: Links
  Alphapro, thetapro and deltapro can now be found on my virtual drive =
at www.filesanywhere.com user name mystx, password brainwave
  John
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    From: l l=20
    To: [email protected]=20
    Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:57 AM
    Subject: Re: Links
    Hi Bill,
    Thank you for your effort but I am still looking for DeltaPro...
    Who Ever
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    >Hi all,
    >took some looking but here you go
    >Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I think =
includes=20
    >Alpha, Delta and Theta
    >
    >Bill
    >http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe
    >
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Osho on Brainwave Entrainment

"Machines help but don't create meditation"
-------------------------------------------
>From "Meditation - The First and Last Freedom" by Osho Rajneesh
Reprinted under the "Fair Use Doctrine."
--------------------------------
So many machines are being developed around the world, pretending that
they can give you meditation; you just have to put on earphones and
relax, and within ten minutes you will reach the state of meditation.
This is utter stupidity, but there is a reason why such an idea has come
to the minds of technical people.  Mind functions on a certain wavelength
when it is awake.  When it is dreaming it functions on another
wavelength.  When it is fast asleep it functions on a different
wavelength.  But none of these are meditation.
For thousands of years we have called meditation <italic>turiya</italic>,
"the fourth."  When you go beyond the deepest sleep and still you are
aware, that awareness is meditation.  It is not an experience; it is you,
your very being.
But these hi-tech mechanisms can be of tremendous use in the right hands.
 They can help to create the kind of waves in your mind so that you start
feeling relaxed, as if half asleep...thoughts are disappearing and a
moment comes that everything becomes silent in you.  That is the moment
when the waves are those of deep sleep.  You will not be aware of this
deep sleep, but after ten minutes, when you are unplugged from the
machine, you will see the effects: you are calm, quiet, peaceful, no
worry, no tension; life seems to be more playful and joyous.  One feels
as if one has had an inner bath.  Your whole being is calm and cool.
With machines things are very certain, because they don't depend on any
doing of yours.  It is just like listening to music: you feel peaceful,
harmonious.  Those machines will lead you up to the third state -- deep
sleep, sleep without dreams.  But if you think this is meditation then
you are wrong.  I will say this is a good experience, and while you are
in that moment of deep sleep, if you can also be aware from the very
beginning, as the mind starts changing its waves... You have to be more
alert, more awake, more watchful -- what is happening? -- and you will
see that mind is by and by falling asleep.  And if you can see the mind
falling asleep...the one who is seeing the mind falling asleep is your
being, and that is the purpose of all authentic meditation.
These machines cannot create that awareness.  That awareness you will
have to create, but these machines can certainly create within ten
minutes a possibility that you may not be able to create in years of
effort.  So I am not against these hi-tech instruments, I am all for
them.  It is just that I want the people who are spreading those machines
around the world to know that they are doing good work, but it is
incomplete.  It will be complete only when the person in the deepest
silence is also alert, like a small flame of awareness which goes on
burning.  Everything disappears, all around is darkness, and silence, and
peace -- but an unwavering flame of awareness.  So if the machine is in
the right hands and people can be taught that the real thing will not
come through the machine, the machine can create the very essential
ground in which that flame can grow.  But that flame depends on you, not
on the machine.
So I am in favor of those machines on the one hand and on the other hand
I am very much against them, because many, many people will think, "This
is meditation," and they will be deceived.  These machines will do
immense harm, but they will spread all over the world very soon.  And
they are simple -- there is nothing much in it; it is only a question of
creating certain waves.  Musicians can learn from those machines, what
waves they create in people, and they can start creating those waves
through their instruments.  There is no need for the machines, just the
musicians can create those waves for you, and you will start falling
asleep!  But if you can remain awake even in the deepest sleep, when you
see that just one step more and you will become unconscious, you have
learned a secret.  That machine can be used beautifully.
And this is true about all the machines of the world: in the right hands
they can be used tremendously for the benefit of mankind.  In the wrong
hands they can become hindrances.  And unfortunately, there are so many
wrong hands....
But it is not meditation, it is simply a change in the radio waves that
are continuously moving around you in the air.  It can be certainly
helpful as an experience; otherwise for many people meditation remains
only a word.  They think that some time they will meditate.  And there
remains a doubt, whether anybody meditates or not?
But in the West the mind is mechanical, the approach is mechanical;
everything they want to reduce to a machine -- and they are capable of
it.  But there are things which are beyond the capacity of any machine. 
Awareness cannot be created by any machine; it is beyond the scope of any
hi-tech.  But what technology can give you can certainly be used.  This
can be used as a very beautiful jumping ground into meditation.
And once you have tasted awareness, perhaps a few times the machine may
be helpful so that it becomes more and more clear, so your awareness
becomes more and more separate from the silence that machine is creating.
 And then you should start doing it without the machine.  Once you have
learned to do it without the machine, the machine has helped you
immensely.
--------------------------------
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Dave/Re: mp3 to .wav converter?

Hey Dave!
It's nice to see an excerpt from the Upanishads on this list! :-)  Drop on
by my website sometime (in the .sig at the bottom of the message).
I know of a utility called "VED" (Visual Encoder/Decoder), but it's a front
end for another program called L3DEC (a DOS command line MP3 decoder),
which you also have to have, and which is rather expensive shareware, I
think).
You might do some searching on the Web for these two files (especially L3DEC).
Tim
At 04:41 PM 2/2/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a utility/program to convert .mp3 format files to .wav
>files?  I want to burn a CD with some .mp3 files I have seen.
>
>Thanks.
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RE: Transducer Type Device

Imbedding a large subwoofer on a backrest of a couch might do the =
trick. Low
frequency sound coming from a subwoofer are normally felt rather than =
heard. By
doing that, the vibration created can be felt effectively due to the =
close
proximity of the body to the source. You might be needing a good high =
power
amplifier though to drive the subwoofer and a good enclousure for good =
sound
reproduction. And one more thing, this is good only for low frequency
reproduction. If there's a need to reproduce higher frequency, a set of =
small
speakers can be used and placed on the left and right side of the =
person sitting
on the couch. The set up should be that the left speaker is firing =
directly to
the left ear of the listener and the right speaker firing directly to =
the right
ear of the listener and at a comfortable distance. This arrangement =
will
minimize crosstalk and can still be usefull for listenning to binaural =
beats.
Just a suggestion. Others are welcome to critic my recommendation.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Me Myself and I [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 8:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Transducer Type Device
OK  here is a tester !!! I work with the voice here in the UK by giving =
back
frequencies that are missing, hence balancing the voice with brain wave
frequencies.
However many individuals and especially children find it difficult to =
take the
sound through headphones for a prolonged period.
=20
Question is has anyone come across or know of a device that I can put =
into my PC
headphone outlet that will change the sound the vibration so as the =
client
actually fels the vibration rather than hears it.
=20
I also have a frequency generator that works on low Frequency Waves =
that I use
so maybe even an external device that may do the trick??
=20
Help would be appreciated in locating such a device?
=20
Kind Regards
=20
Jeff
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From: mystx <mailto:[email protected]> =20
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> =20
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Links
Alphapro, thetapro and deltapro can now be found on my virtual drive at
www.filesanywhere.com <http://www.filesanywhere.com>  user name mystx, =
password
brainwave
=20
John
=20
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From: l l <mailto:[email protected]> =20
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> =20
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Links
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your effort but I am still looking for DeltaPro...
Who Ever
----------------------------------------------------------
>Hi all,
>took some looking but here you go
>Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I think =
includes=20
>Alpha, Delta and Theta
>
>Bill
> http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe
<http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe>=20
>
>
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Re: Oxygen and the brain

i do not remember the name of this practice but it begins with a "t."  Also 
you will not find anything abut it because it is an extremely dangerous art.  
the best places would be in books like ripplies believe it or not, maybe some 
books dealing with crystal skulls or forbidden arts.  good luck
-dragon

Re: mp3 and binaural beats

do you know where one can find a free copy of this program?
-dragon

Re: Mugwort again...

how does one go about acquiring this flower?
-dragon

Re: mp3 to .wav converter?

i have a good one but my comp is down for a while, but when it is up again i 
will send it to you k?
-dragon

Re: Transducer Type Device

well you could invest in one of those sound chairs used for videogames or a 
"vest" type apparatus, then splice the wires so that it hooks into your 
speakers/headphones.  if you do not want to do that then might i suggest 
buying several large speakers and fixing them to an old chair or something 
like that.
-dragon

Re: Osho on Brainwave Entrainment

i strongly agree with you and your line of thinking
-dragon

Re: Mugwort again...

One goes to a herbalist and asks for the liquid extract or else for the =
dried variety assuming it comes in that form.
Happy dreams
John
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  Subject: Re: Mugwort again...
  how does one go about acquiring this flower?
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Useful herbs

Dear List,
These herbs can be found in most drugstores and may be useful for brainwave
entrainment:
* Feverfew - may inhibit secretion of serotonin... helps maintain cerebral
blood vessel tone
* Gingko Biloba - helps maintain cerebral circulation
* Ginseng - aids in mental alertness and release of energy (not really a
stimulant in the normal definition of the word - aids body's own natural
energy release).  Siberian Ginseng is the mildest form (and the cheapest
cost wise), others such as Korean ginseng are considered more potent (and
are more expensive).
* Kava Kava - Acts as a muscle relaxant and may promote a feeling of serenity
* St. John's Wort - may help in mood elevation
* Valerian root - slows down central nervous system activity
Warning - be careful with use of herbs, they can be dangerous if abused.
Never use other than as directed.  Massive dosing on herbs or using the
wrong mix of herbs can be very dangerous.
Tim
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RE: Transducer Type Device

Check out vibro-acoustics- eg
http://www.dynamind.com/vibro.htm
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122  CHERRYBROOK
NSW   2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
[email protected]
  -----Original Message-----
  From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Me Myself and I
  Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2000 11:31
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: Transducer Type Device
  OK  here is a tester !!! I work with the voice here in the UK by giving
back frequencies that are missing, hence balancing the voice with brain wave
frequencies.
  However many individuals and especially children find it difficult to take
the sound through headphones for a prolonged period.
  Question is has anyone come across or know of a device that I can put into
my PC headphone outlet that will change the sound the vibration so as the
client actually fels the vibration rather than hears it.
  I also have a frequency generator that works on low Frequency Waves that I
use so maybe even an external device that may do the trick??
  Help would be appreciated in locating such a device?
  Kind Regards
  Jeff
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    Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 8:57 PM
    Subject: Re: Links
    Alphapro, thetapro and deltapro can now be found on my virtual drive at
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      Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:57 AM
      Subject: Re: Links
      Hi Bill,
      Thank you for your effort but I am still looking for DeltaPro...
      Who Ever
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      >Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I think
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      >
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Re: Links!

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>www.filesanywhere.com user name mystx, password brainwave
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>John
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>
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>
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Re: mugwort?

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>Hi, does anybody know how is mugwort called in spanish, or its latin
>scientific name?
>
Artemisiae vulgaris, if I remember it good
>
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Re: mp3 to .wav converter?

Winamp can do mp3->wav
David Swagler wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a utility/program to convert .mp3 format files to .wav
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Re: Transducer Type Device

Thanks for the pages Paul. I was actually looking for a smaller device =
say that you could place upon the kidney and send in the idney =
frequecies etc  Was next door to the guy who invented the Somatron in =
the Staes, real interesting.
Thanks again=20
Jeff
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  To: [email protected]=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:23 AM
  Subject: RE: Transducer Type Device
  Check out vibro-acoustics- eg=20
  http://www.dynamind.com/vibro.htm
  Paul Marlow
  Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
  PO Box 122  CHERRYBROOK
  NSW   2126
  Australia
  Ph. (02) 9680 1000
  [email protected]
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    Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2000 11:31
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: Transducer Type Device
    OK  here is a tester !!! I work with the voice here in the UK by =
giving back frequencies that are missing, hence balancing the voice with =
brain wave frequencies.
    However many individuals and especially children find it difficult =
to take the sound through headphones for a prolonged period.
    Question is has anyone come across or know of a device that I can =
put into my PC headphone outlet that will change the sound the vibration =
so as the client actually fels the vibration rather than hears it.
    I also have a frequency generator that works on low Frequency Waves =
that I use so maybe even an external device that may do the trick??
    Help would be appreciated in locating such a device?
    Kind Regards
    Jeff
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        Who Ever
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        >Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I =
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RE: Osho on Brainwave Entrainment

Sounds right to me, Tim
Darryl
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Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Osho on Brainwave Entrainment
"Machines help but don't create meditation" 
------------------------------------------- 
>From "Meditation - The First and Last Freedom" by Osho Rajneesh 
Reprinted under the "Fair Use Doctrine." 
-------------------------------- 
So many machines are being developed around the world, pretending that they
can give you meditation; you just have to put on earphones and relax, and
within ten minutes you will reach the state of meditation. 
This is utter stupidity, but there is a reason why such an idea has come to
the minds of technical people. Mind functions on a certain wavelength when
it is awake. When it is dreaming it functions on another wavelength. When it
is fast asleep it functions on a different wavelength. But none of these are
meditation. 
For thousands of years we have called meditation turiya, "the fourth." When
you go beyond the deepest sleep and still you are aware, that awareness is
meditation. It is not an experience; it is you, your very being. 
But these hi-tech mechanisms can be of tremendous use in the right hands.
They can help to create the kind of waves in your mind so that you start
feeling relaxed, as if half asleep...thoughts are disappearing and a moment
comes that everything becomes silent in you. That is the moment when the
waves are those of deep sleep. You will not be aware of this deep sleep, but
after ten minutes, when you are unplugged from the machine, you will see the
effects: you are calm, quiet, peaceful, no worry, no tension; life seems to
be more playful and joyous. One feels as if one has had an inner bath. Your
whole being is calm and cool. 
With machines things are very certain, because they don't depend on any
doing of yours. It is just like listening to music: you feel peaceful,
harmonious. Those machines will lead you up to the third state -- deep
sleep, sleep without dreams. But if you think this is meditation then you
are wrong. I will say this is a good experience, and while you are in that
moment of deep sleep, if you can also be aware from the very beginning, as
the mind starts changing its waves... You have to be more alert, more awake,
more watchful -- what is happening? -- and you will see that mind is by and
by falling asleep. And if you can see the mind falling asleep...the one who
is seeing the mind falling asleep is your being, and that is the purpose of
all authentic meditation. 
These machines cannot create that awareness. That awareness you will have to
create, but these machines can certainly create within ten minutes a
possibility that you may not be able to create in years of effort. So I am
not against these hi-tech instruments, I am all for them. It is just that I
want the people who are spreading those machines around the world to know
that they are doing good work, but it is incomplete. It will be complete
only when the person in the deepest silence is also alert, like a small
flame of awareness which goes on burning. Everything disappears, all around
is darkness, and silence, and peace -- but an unwavering flame of awareness.
So if the machine is in the right hands and people can be taught that the
real thing will not come through the machine, the machine can create the
very essential ground in which that flame can grow. But that flame depends
on you, not on the machine. 
So I am in favor of those machines on the one hand and on the other hand I
am very much against them, because many, many people will think, "This is
meditation," and they will be deceived. These machines will do immense harm,
but they will spread all over the world very soon. And they are simple --
there is nothing much in it; it is only a question of creating certain
waves. Musicians can learn from those machines, what waves they create in
people, and they can start creating those waves through their instruments.
There is no need for the machines, just the musicians can create those waves
for you, and you will start falling asleep! But if you can remain awake even
in the deepest sleep, when you see that just one step more and you will
become unconscious, you have learned a secret. That machine can be used
beautifully. 
And this is true about all the machines of the world: in the right hands
they can be used tremendously for the benefit of mankind. In the wrong hands
they can become hindrances. And unfortunately, there are so many wrong
hands.... 
But it is not meditation, it is simply a change in the radio waves that are
continuously moving around you in the air. It can be certainly helpful as an
experience; otherwise for many people meditation remains only a word. They
think that some time they will meditate. And there remains a doubt, whether
anybody meditates or not? 
But in the West the mind is mechanical, the approach is mechanical;
everything they want to reduce to a machine -- and they are capable of it.
But there are things which are beyond the capacity of any machine. Awareness
cannot be created by any machine; it is beyond the scope of any hi-tech. But
what technology can give you can certainly be used. This can be used as a
very beautiful jumping ground into meditation. 
And once you have tasted awareness, perhaps a few times the machine may be
helpful so that it becomes more and more clear, so your awareness becomes
more and more separate from the silence that machine is creating. And then
you should start doing it without the machine. Once you have learned to do
it without the machine, the machine has helped you immensely. 
-------------------------------- 
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mugwort in spanish/scientific name

ARTEMISA:
http://lanaturaleza.hypermart.net/artemisa.htm
>From: "Tomasz Romanowski" <[email protected]>
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>Artemisiae vulgaris, if I remember it good
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Re: Transducer Type Device

Jeff,
     I have a pair of headphones that I got from
Radio Shack that has vibrators inside of them that vibrate with, and enhance,
the bass notes.  They work really good.  They have a frequency
response of 5hz to something like 25Khz, beyond the extent of human hearing. 
When I bought mine they were on clearance so i guess that means they don't
make them anymore.  The name of them are "Optimus Nova-58 Bass Vibration". 
Maybe you will be able to find a pair somewhere and disable the speakers
and just use the vibration.
Tim
 
Me Myself and I wrote:
OK 
here is a tester !!! I work with the voice here in the UK by giving back
frequencies that are missing, hence balancing the voice with brain wave
frequencies.However many
individuals and especially children find it difficult to take the sound
through headphones for a prolonged period. Question
is has anyone come across or know of a device that I can put into my PC
headphone outlet that will change the sound the vibration so as the client
actually fels the vibration rather than hears it. I
also have a frequency generator that works on low Frequency Waves that
I use so maybe even an external device that may do the trick?? Help
would be appreciated in locating such a device? Kind
Regards Jeff
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To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000
8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Links
 Alphapro, thetapro and deltapro can now be found on
my virtual drive at www.filesanywhere.com
user name mystx, password brainwave John 
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From:
l l
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000
12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Links
 Hi Bill,
Thank you for your effort but I am still looking for DeltaPro...
Who Ever
----------------------------------------------------------
>Hi all,
>took some looking but here you go
>Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which I
think includes
>Alpha, Delta and Theta
>
>Bill
>http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/misc/thetapro.exe
>
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Re: Transducer Type Device

It's possible to find Denon headphones (at a reasonable price) with even
better frequency response than that (although I know frequency response
isn't really the issue here).  I have a pair of Denon headphones and I
think the freq. response is from 5 Hz - 45 KHz KHz (and that isn't their
best model!).  A little ridiculous, unless your dog likes to listen to
music <<grin>, but they just sound tremendous.  They can make a cheapie
$10 walkman sound like a $10,000 stereo system - & the headphones
themselves only cost about $65.  I wouldn't buy any brand of headphones
but Denon.
I'd recommend anyone into brainwave entrainment (and listening to music)
use the best quality headphones available.  20 Hz-20 KHz (the response of
most headphones) is adequate but some people have a better hearing range.
 For example, I tested myself and found I can hear up to 22 KHz.
CD's only cover 20 Hz-20 KHz, but DVD is capable of up to 22-24 KHz.
Tim
At 10:29 PM 2/3/2000 +0200, you wrote: 
>>>>
<excerpt>Jeff, 
     I have a pair of headphones that I got from Radio Shack that has
vibrators inside of them that vibrate with, and enhance, the bass notes. 
They work really good.  They have a frequency response of 5hz to
something like 25Khz, beyond the extent of human hearing.  When I bought
mine they were on clearance so i guess that means they don't make them
anymore.  The name of them are "Optimus Nova-58 Bass Vibration".  Maybe
you will be able to find a pair somewhere and disable the speakers and
just use the vibration. 
Tim 
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Re: Transducer Type Device

Jeff,
I suggest you contact LifeTools - tel. 01260 282000, Freepost NWW17019, =
Congleton, Chesire, CW12 1YR.
Not long ago they were practically giving away a device called a Sound =
Cushion, which does what you describe, as they were overenthusiastic in =
ordering their stock.
 Regards,
Paul
[email protected]
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    To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
    Date: 03 February 2000 03:44
    Subject: Re: Transducer Type Device
   =20
   =20
    OK  here is a tester !!! I work with the voice here in the UK by =
giving back frequencies that are missing, hence balancing the voice with =
brain wave frequencies.
    However many individuals and especially children find it difficult =
to take the sound through headphones for a prolonged period.
   =20
    Question is has anyone come across or know of a device that I can =
put into my PC headphone outlet that will change the sound the vibration =
so as the client actually fels the vibration rather than hears it.
   =20
    I also have a frequency generator that works on low Frequency Waves =
that I use so maybe even an external device that may do the trick??
   =20
    Help would be appreciated in locating such a device?
   =20
    Kind Regards
   =20
    Jeff
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       =20
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       =20
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           =20
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           =20
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            >Who ever was looking for DeltaPro,  this is ThetaPro which =
I think includes=20
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new age mp3's

Greetings...
I have just added 5 new songs to my famous website:
<A HREF="www.mp3.com/joeynewage/">www.mp3.com/joeynewage/</A>
Don't you think it's time to check it out?
Regards,
Joey
<A HREF="www.mp3.com/joeynewage/">www.mp3.com/joeynewage/</A>
<A HREF="www.crookedpinky.net">www.crookedpinky.net</A>

Re: new age mp3's

Do these songs contain binaural beats or brainwave technology?  If not,
what are you doing advertising them here?
Tim
At 11:21 PM 2/7/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Greetings...
>
>I have just added 5 new songs to my famous website:
>
><A HREF="www.mp3.com/joeynewage/">www.mp3.com/joeynewage/</A>
>
>Don't you think it's time to check it out?

Re: new age mp3's

At 04:34 PM 2/7/2000 EST, you wrote:
>>>Greetings...
>>>
>>>I have just added 5 new songs to my famous website:
>>>
>>><A HREF="www.mp3.com/joeynewage/">www.mp3.com/joeynewage/</A>
>>>
>>>Don't you think it's time to check it out?
>>Do these songs contain binaural beats or brainwave technology?  If not,
what >>are you doing advertising them here?
>No, but they are new age solo piano songs which help me relax/meditate.
Check 
>them out.. and if you don't want to.. that's ok too=).
To be brutally honest, after hearing Ernesto Cortazar, I have a hard time
finding any new-age piano solos that are even in the same ballpark.  I'll
check out your music when I get around to it, though.  Thanks for offering
the link, and especially for offering the music free of charge.
Tim

A Preset for y'all

Here's a preset I call "The Quintessential 7 Hz."  A nice 30-minute 7 Hz
Theta that's easy on the ears and very hypnotic.  You might want to add the
background of your choice.
Enjoy,
Tim


 Quintessential 7 Hz.bwg

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Re: mp3 and binaural beats

Lutz Berger wrote:
> 
> hi folks,
> I have a question: when you compress a soundfile
> with music and bb´s with a mp3 encoder - will the
> binaural beats still be effective?
> destroys mp3 the information?
> 
> herzliche grüße
> aus heidelberg
> 
> lutz berger
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I haven't tried it, but seems to work well. But don't use the encoder
"jointstereo" option. This option will mix left and right channels at low
frecuency sounds. Other suggestion: use a high rate, I suggest 256Kbs for the
best sound quality. Never lower than 128kbs. And remember: DON'T USE
JOINTSTEREO.
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Re: mp3 and binaural beats

I was wondering the same kind of thing about MP3's.  I read that during
encoding sounds that are not audible get removed, so I was wondering if
there is any use in making an MP3 that has subliminal messages in it. 
Im guessing that what they mean by a sound that is not audible is like
when a cymbal sound comes over top of something like a soft violin or flute
sound.  I guess it just records the cymbal and leaves out the violin
or flute in that segment.
Tim
 
Jarguar wrote:
Lutz Berger wrote:
>
> hi folks,
> I have a question: when you compress a soundfile
> with music and bb´s with a mp3 encoder - will the
> binaural beats still be effective?
> destroys mp3 the information?
>
> herzliche grüße
> aus heidelberg
>
> lutz berger
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I haven't tried it, but seems to work well. But don't use the encoder
"jointstereo" option. This option will mix left and right channels
at low
frecuency sounds. Other suggestion: use a high rate, I suggest 256Kbs
for the
best sound quality. Never lower than 128kbs. And remember: DON'T USE
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Re: mp3 and binaural beats

At 10:18 PM 2/8/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Lutz Berger wrote:
>I haven't tried it, but seems to work well. But don't use the encoder
>"jointstereo" option. This option will mix left and right channels at low
>frecuency sounds. Other suggestion: use a high rate, I suggest 256Kbs for the
>best sound quality. Never lower than 128kbs. And remember: DON'T USE
>JOINTSTEREO.
I haven't seen any MP3 encoder to date that allows selecting or not
selecting the joint_stereo option.  Even the command-line L3ENC program
automatically uses joint_stereo and there is no option to disable it.
Does anyone know of an MP3 encoder that allows selecting or not selecting
joint_stereo?
Tim

Re: mp3 and binaural beats

At 10:18 PM 2/8/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Lutz Berger wrote:
>> 
>> hi folks,
>> I have a question: when you compress a soundfile
>> with music and bb´s with a mp3 encoder - will the
>> binaural beats still be effective?
>> destroys mp3 the information?
My impression is that the effect is lessened somewhat (perhaps because of
the "joint_stereo" effect mentioned by Jarguar), but still effective to a
great degree.  Yet, the way I do it is (being lucky enough to have a CD-R
burner) simply encode using 11,025 16-bit stereo (which is more than a high
enough bitrate to include all frequencies needed) and then burn the
resulting .wav files onto a CD.  Since a CD can hold 650 MB of data, you
can get 6 or 7 long (30-45 minute) meditations onto one (U.S. ~$2.00)
CD-Recordable.
It should be noted that contrary to popular belief, higher bitrates such as
44,100 KHz are not only unnecessary but may DETRACT from the effectiveness
of brainwave sync files, because they include higher frequencies that are
simply not used.  For example, say you have a binaural beat using two
frequencies: 300 Hz and 305 Hz (5 Hz binaural beat).  11,025 KHz .wav files
cover up to approx. 5,500 Hz (painfully high to the ears when listened to
for any length of time), whereas we are using 300 Hz and 305 Hz in this
example.  Most binaural beat and other brainwave entrainment sound
techniques use only frequencies well below 5,500 Hz, and so any WAV file
above 11,025 KHz is really not needed and may actually detract by including
high-frequency components and harmonics that are not used at all, and yet
are present in the sound file.
16-bit is a different story.  16-bit sound is almost mandatory, but 44,100
KHz (or even 22,050 KHz) is entirely unnecessary (and actually detracts) as
regarding brainwave entrainment files, and I have verified this through
personal experience.
Tim

Re: mp3 and binaural beats

MusicMatch jukebox allows you to select J-stereo or normal stereo.
www.musicmatch.com
Tim Gerchmez wrote:
> At 10:18 PM 2/8/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> >Lutz Berger wrote:
>
> >I haven't tried it, but seems to work well. But don't use the encoder
> >"jointstereo" option. This option will mix left and right channels at low
> >frecuency sounds. Other suggestion: use a high rate, I suggest 256Kbs for the
> >best sound quality. Never lower than 128kbs. And remember: DON'T USE
> >JOINTSTEREO.
>
> I haven't seen any MP3 encoder to date that allows selecting or not
> selecting the joint_stereo option.  Even the command-line L3ENC program
> automatically uses joint_stereo and there is no option to disable it.
>
> Does anyone know of an MP3 encoder that allows selecting or not selecting
> joint_stereo?
>
> Tim
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tmartin15/Re: mp3 and binaural beats

At 06:12 AM 2/9/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>MusicMatch jukebox allows you to select J-stereo or normal stereo.
>www.musicmatch.com
Are there any encoders you know of (that allow selecting joint_stereo or
not) that don't include a full jukebox?  I don't need or want an MP3
jukebox on my machine, I'm perfectly happy with WinAMP, and those damned
jukeboxes always take over your file associations without permission and
generally just take a dump all over your hard drive and system registry :-)
Tim

MP3s...

Just a couple notes about all of the mp3 talk going on...
First off, Xing Audiocatalyst is a great ripper/encoder that will let you 
select between Stereo and Joint Stereo. Beside that, it's the best encoder 
out there, in my opinion.
Secondly, I want to address the analogy someone made about mp3s. They were 
talking about how the mp3 cuts off certain sound information and they 
referred to a soft violin not being heard under some other instrument. This 
is not the case. The reason that mp3s are so small is that they do cut off 
information... they cut off sound information that is imperceptable (key 
word) to the human ear. Sure, there is some exception where some crazy idea 
for bineural beats is going to need imperceptable beats that someone will 
come up with, but I think that generally the loss of sound information in 
mp3s is no big concern unless you are using BWGen on your dog ;) I don't 
know if the analogy was literal, but it seemed unclear on this end, so I 
thought I would give a little input...
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Re: mp3 and binaural beats

Tim Gerchmez wrote:
> 
> At 10:18 PM 2/8/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> >Lutz Berger wrote:
> 
> >I haven't tried it, but seems to work well. But don't use the encoder
> >"jointstereo" option. This option will mix left and right channels at low
> >frecuency sounds. Other suggestion: use a high rate, I suggest 256Kbs for the
> >best sound quality. Never lower than 128kbs. And remember: DON'T USE
> >JOINTSTEREO.
> 
> I haven't seen any MP3 encoder to date that allows selecting or not
> selecting the joint_stereo option.  Even the command-line L3ENC program
> automatically uses joint_stereo and there is no option to disable it.
> 
> Does anyone know of an MP3 encoder that allows selecting or not selecting
> joint_stereo?
> 
> Tim
> 
Xing Encoder allows you doing that. Check out: www.xing.com . You can select
between pure stereo and JointStereo, and the number of joint stereo bands for
this last option. I don't know which is the effect on using different number of
bands. Since the Joint Stereo option mixes both channels, I supose it's the
level this mix is done, but not sure which one will work better. It seem the
higher number of bands, the better sound quality you achieve. This program is
shareware and you must register in order to have it full functional. But sure
you can find a lot of great MP3 encoders supporting this option on the internet
for free.
Ok, thats all.
regards,
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Re: mp3 and binaural beats

Hello Tim,
>I was wondering the same kind of thing about MP3's.  I read that during
encoding sounds that are not audible get removed,
>so I was wondering if there is any use in making an MP3 that has subliminal
messages in it.  Im guessing that what they mean
>by a sound that is not audible is like when a cymbal sound comes over top
of something like a soft violin or flute sound.  I
>guess it just records the cymbal and leaves out the violin or flute in that
segment.
I have been wondering about this too. But I can gaurantee that a minidisk
(Sony) does not dispose the binaural sounds.
I use it every night to reduce my sleep with a Brainwave preset recently
found on www.bwgen.com  and it does work!!
But that does not mean that MP is fine too. The minidisk uses some kind of
copression too.
Olaf

Re: MP3s...

At 05:46 PM 2/9/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Just a couple notes about all of the mp3 talk going on...
>
>First off, Xing Audiocatalyst is a great ripper/encoder that will let you 
>select between Stereo and Joint Stereo. Beside that, it's the best encoder 
>out there, in my opinion.
I thought I remember hearing that the Xing encoder is inferior to
Fraunhofer's .mp3 Producer (which is what I use).  Just hearsay, though.
>Secondly, I want to address the analogy someone made about mp3s. They were 
>talking about how the mp3 cuts off certain sound information and they 
>referred to a soft violin not being heard under some other instrument. This 
>is not the case. The reason that mp3s are so small is that they do cut off 
>information... they cut off sound information that is imperceptable (key 
>word) to the human ear. Sure, there is some exception where some crazy idea 
>for bineural beats is going to need imperceptable beats that someone will 
>come up with, but I think that generally the loss of sound information in 
>mp3s is no big concern unless you are using BWGen on your dog ;) I don't 
>know if the analogy was literal, but it seemed unclear on this end, so I 
>thought I would give a little input...
In actual experience, I've found MP3 encoded brainwave sync files to be
somewhat less effective than .wav files.  But it could just be that
joint_stereo issue.
Tim

Re: mp3 and binaural beats

>I have been wondering about this too. But I can gaurantee that a minidisk
>(Sony) does not dispose the binaural sounds.
>I use it every night to reduce my sleep with a Brainwave preset recently
>found on www.bwgen.com  and it does work!!
>
>But that does not mean that MP is fine too. The minidisk uses some kind of
>copression too.
>
>Olaf
I was told the other day, by a friend who is usually reliable, that Minidisk
and MP3 use the same compression technology.
Paul

Re: tmartin15/Re: mp3 and binaural beats

Tim, i know what you mean!!  Everyone that makes a program like that assumes
that theirs is the best and there is no reason to ever use anything else.  I
hate that.  I think there are some "rippers", or whatever hip and groovy name
they are called, but I can't remember who makes them.  I beleive that all they
do is record from a CD and don't play the songs.
Tim
Tim Gerchmez wrote:
> At 06:12 AM 2/9/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >MusicMatch jukebox allows you to select J-stereo or normal stereo.
> >www.musicmatch.com
>
> Are there any encoders you know of (that allow selecting joint_stereo or
> not) that don't include a full jukebox?  I don't need or want an MP3
> jukebox on my machine, I'm perfectly happy with WinAMP, and those damned
> jukeboxes always take over your file associations without permission and
> generally just take a dump all over your hard drive and system registry :-)
>
> Tim
>
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Re: MP3s...

upshhhaaa!!!!!
Nathan Yeldell wrote:
> Just a couple notes about all of the mp3 talk going on...
>
> First off, Xing Audiocatalyst is a great ripper/encoder that will let you
> select between Stereo and Joint Stereo. Beside that, it's the best encoder
> out there, in my opinion.
>
> Secondly, I want to address the analogy someone made about mp3s. They were
> talking about how the mp3 cuts off certain sound information and they
> referred to a soft violin not being heard under some other instrument. This
> is not the case. The reason that mp3s are so small is that they do cut off
> information... they cut off sound information that is imperceptable (key
> word) to the human ear. Sure, there is some exception where some crazy idea
> for bineural beats is going to need imperceptable beats that someone will
> come up with, but I think that generally the loss of sound information in
> mp3s is no big concern unless you are using BWGen on your dog ;) I don't
> know if the analogy was literal, but it seemed unclear on this end, so I
> thought I would give a little input...
>
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tmartin15/Re: mp3 and binaural beats

At 05:18 AM 2/10/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Tim, i know what you mean!!  Everyone that makes a program like that assumes
>that theirs is the best and there is no reason to ever use anything else.  I
>hate that.  I think there are some "rippers", or whatever hip and groovy name
>they are called, but I can't remember who makes them.  I beleive that all
they
>do is record from a CD and don't play the songs.
I use an older program called WinDAC as my ripper.  It just rips and
nothing else.  I prefer completely separate programs for ripping, encoding
and playing.  I've never been the "all-in-one" type.  I prefer as much
choice as possible at each level.
Anyway, this whole topic is not a big issue to me, since I have a CD burner
and CD-R's are dirt cheap.  Since a CD-R holds 650 MB of data, it's almost
a non-issue.
Tim

Binaural beats, MP3, and MiniDisc

Regarding all the recent discussion of brainwave
signal preservation, MPEG vs. MD, quality of
compression, etc., I'm going to try to condense as
many people's questions as I can into a single
message:
The question burning on many people's minds is whether
MP3 compression adequately preserves carrier
frequencies.  To my mind, this is a moot question for
binaural beats.  Why?  Because the binaural beat
phenomenon relies on audible carriers only.  Binaural
beats strictly rely on two frequencies below ~1KHz,
but by definition, the carriers must be audible.  The
inaudible frequencies are perceived peripherally by
the brain, but are themselves not part of the carrier
frequencies.  This only applies to binaural beats,
however.  AFAIK, at least one other method does
utilize a sort of sound "masking" to encode brainwave
frequencies within frequencies which are audible to
humans.  But for a session solely consisting of a
non-destructed wave within the human range of hearing
would not be adversely affected by MP3 compression. 
Therefore, MiniDisc is safe, too, as MiniDisc/ATRAC is
not as lossy as MPEG (but it's still lossy).
MiniDisc (MD) utilizes audio compression, but it's not
MPEG. It uses ATRAC (Adaptive TRansform Acoustic
Coding), which offers superior sound quality without
as much lossage as MP3.  Whomever suggested that MD's
compression is based on the MPEG standard probably
confused ATRAC with PASC (Precision Adaptive Sub-band
Coding), which is essentially processed MPEG Layer-1. 
Both algorithms divide the digital audio signal into a
fixed number of sub-bands.
As to MPEG codecs, Xing is certainly not the best;
never has been, and probably never will be.  There are
definitely faster and cleaner alternatives.
AudioCatalyst is merely Audiograbber with fewer
options and a packaged copy of the Xing codec
(XingMPEG).  It's meant to be easy to use.  It is not
published solely by Xing, but is a joint venture with
Audiograbber.  The latter allows you to choose which
codec to use, however, so one could use Audiograbber
in conjuction with the superior Fraunhofer codec
(Fraunhofer pioneered the MP3 standard).  Audiograbber
is ok, but I find its interface lacking.
Further, .mp3 Producer is not published by
Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft, but rather by Opticom. 
Fraunhofer licenses their codec to other software
publishers and hardware manufacturers for use in their
products.  .mp3 Producer is a solid piece of software,
although personally I use Audioactive Production
Studio (which also utilizes Fraunhofer's codec).
IMHO, the only thing at all interesting about XingMPEG
is its variable bitrate.  You can always identify a
stream encoded with newer revisions of XingMPEG,
because the bitrate gauge in your player will jump all
over the place.  But is it lossy?  You betcha. 
Definitely not the thing for archival encoding. 
Sub-bands are much finer in the lower frequency range,
and masked sounds in this area are a key place to look
for bits to drop when attempting to compress an audio
stream.  Ironically (and inversely), MP3 sucks at high
frequency.
I hope this answers some questions, and please correct
me on any points on which I'm mistaken.
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Re: Binaural beats, MP3, and MiniDisc

Hi Todd,
> Regarding all the recent discussion of brainwave
> signal preservation, MPEG vs. MD, quality of
> compression, etc., I'm going to try to condense as
> many people's questions as I can into a single
> message: .......
Very interesting information! 
I think it is correct in what you say.
Olaf

New Presets

Hi, I was just surfing the bwgen webpage http://www.bwgen.com/ and saw there was a few new presets.  I was wondering if anyone had tried them yet.  Any good?  Im curious about that high Gamma one that gives you auditory hallucinations.  I'd love to try it but I rarely have time to sit back and listen to it.
Thats another thing I was curious about.  When you guys listen to bwgen do you have to have it quiet around you?  Do you do stuff while listening to it, I find that doing stuff lessens whatever the said effect is as opposed to sitting back with my eyes closed.
Let me know what ya think!
Thanks
Ronald

Re: New Presets

Hey there, Ronald
> presets.  I was wondering if anyone had tried them
> yet.  Any good?  Im curious about that high Gamma
> one that gives you auditory hallucinations.  I'd
The latest one I've played with is the sleep reducer;
I usually do other things while listening to it, and
it definitely works.  The problem is that although I
do wake up much earlier than normal, I'm still tired,
and end up sleeping for at least two more hours
anyway.
> Thats another thing I was curious about.  When you
> guys listen to bwgen do you have to have it quiet
> around you?  Do you do stuff while listening to it,
> I find that doing stuff lessens whatever the said
> effect is as opposed to sitting back with my eyes
> closed.
Well, if you let yourself go then it makes perfect
sense that entrainment would be more effective.  But
focused activity infringes more upon some frequencies
than others, since concentrated focus is clearly not
something we associate with Theta or Delta
frequencies, for example.  Meanwhile, Beta and upper
Alpha frequencies are highly condusive to such
activities as studying or reading, so engaging in
these things while entraining to such frequencies
would not elicit a conflict; rather, it's quite likely
that they would be enhanced.
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RE: New Presets

Hey guys how can i turn up the background sounds on the bwgen, i find that
just the beats have absolutely no effect on me.  In addition, is it possible
to copy bwgen presets to a minidisc....would i still get the full effect?
Rick

Re: Binaural beats, MP3, and MiniDisc

But my question was about whether or not subliminal messages will still be
intact after being encoded into MP3 format.
Todd Moody wrote:
> Regarding all the recent discussion of brainwave
> signal preservation, MPEG vs. MD, quality of
> compression, etc., I'm going to try to condense as
> many people's questions as I can into a single
> message:
>
> The question burning on many people's minds is whether
> MP3 compression adequately preserves carrier
> frequencies.  To my mind, this is a moot question for
> binaural beats.  Why?  Because the binaural beat
> phenomenon relies on audible carriers only.  Binaural
> beats strictly rely on two frequencies below ~1KHz,
> but by definition, the carriers must be audible.  The
> inaudible frequencies are perceived peripherally by
> the brain, but are themselves not part of the carrier
> frequencies.  This only applies to binaural beats,
> however.  AFAIK, at least one other method does
> utilize a sort of sound "masking" to encode brainwave
> frequencies within frequencies which are audible to
> humans.  But for a session solely consisting of a
> non-destructed wave within the human range of hearing
> would not be adversely affected by MP3 compression.
> Therefore, MiniDisc is safe, too, as MiniDisc/ATRAC is
> not as lossy as MPEG (but it's still lossy).
>
> MiniDisc (MD) utilizes audio compression, but it's not
> MPEG. It uses ATRAC (Adaptive TRansform Acoustic
> Coding), which offers superior sound quality without
> as much lossage as MP3.  Whomever suggested that MD's
> compression is based on the MPEG standard probably
> confused ATRAC with PASC (Precision Adaptive Sub-band
> Coding), which is essentially processed MPEG Layer-1.
> Both algorithms divide the digital audio signal into a
> fixed number of sub-bands.
>
> As to MPEG codecs, Xing is certainly not the best;
> never has been, and probably never will be.  There are
> definitely faster and cleaner alternatives.
> AudioCatalyst is merely Audiograbber with fewer
> options and a packaged copy of the Xing codec
> (XingMPEG).  It's meant to be easy to use.  It is not
> published solely by Xing, but is a joint venture with
> Audiograbber.  The latter allows you to choose which
> codec to use, however, so one could use Audiograbber
> in conjuction with the superior Fraunhofer codec
> (Fraunhofer pioneered the MP3 standard).  Audiograbber
> is ok, but I find its interface lacking.
>
> Further, .mp3 Producer is not published by
> Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft, but rather by Opticom.
> Fraunhofer licenses their codec to other software
> publishers and hardware manufacturers for use in their
> products.  .mp3 Producer is a solid piece of software,
> although personally I use Audioactive Production
> Studio (which also utilizes Fraunhofer's codec).
>
> IMHO, the only thing at all interesting about XingMPEG
> is its variable bitrate.  You can always identify a
> stream encoded with newer revisions of XingMPEG,
> because the bitrate gauge in your player will jump all
> over the place.  But is it lossy?  You betcha.
> Definitely not the thing for archival encoding.
> Sub-bands are much finer in the lower frequency range,
> and masked sounds in this area are a key place to look
> for bits to drop when attempting to compress an audio
> stream.  Ironically (and inversely), MP3 sucks at high
> frequency.
>
> I hope this answers some questions, and please correct
> me on any points on which I'm mistaken.
>
> Todd
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Re: Binaural beats, MP3, and MiniDisc

Hello todd I also strongly agree with you
-dragon

Re: New Presets

interesting theory on can one be active.  well i would say it would depend on 
the preset that you are listening to.  if it is something like a learning aid 
then it would help if one was studying or reading or something to that 
effect.  but if  one is trying to reach a meditative state of mind then 
depending on the type of person that you are depends on weither or not you 
can be active.  so in short it really depends on the person that is 
listening, and the preset that the person is listening to.
-dragon

Re: New Presets

i am sure that the binaural beats effect you but you are just not aware of 
it.  i do not know about you but some times when i listen to bwgn i can 
"feel" a tingle in my brain kinda like when a limb falls asleep but not 
quite.  that is how i know it is working.  now how exactly would you go about 
copying the presets onto a mini disk.  the only thing that i could possibly 
think of is while the comp is playing the preset put the mic end of the mini 
disk into like a headphone jack of the speakers.
good luck
-dragon

recording to tape or minidisk

Hi
You might try the freeware "The Cassette Tape
Producer" downloadable from
	http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/hotfiles/free50.html
look for TapeProducer v4.0.6
The shareware version ($10) is on this site:
	http://www.technicompsoftware.com/
I have not yet had the time to try it myself. It is
supposed to convert wav or mp3 to tape cassette or
minidisk. 
Yanis
[email protected] wrote:
 now how exactly would you go about
> copying the presets onto a mini disk.  the only
thing that i could possibly
> think of is while the comp is playing the preset put
the mic end of the mini
> disk into like a headphone jack of the speakers.
> good luck
> 
> -dragon
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Re: mp3 and binaural beats

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On 09/02/00 at 8:04 PM [email protected] wrote:
>Hello Tim,
>
>>I was wondering the same kind of thing about MP3's.  I read that during
>encoding sounds that are not audible get removed,
>>so I was wondering if there is any use in making an MP3 that has subliminal
>messages in it.  Im guessing that what they mean
>>by a sound that is not audible is like when a cymbal sound comes over top
>of something like a soft violin or flute sound.  I
>>guess it just records the cymbal and leaves out the violin or flute in that
>segment.
>
>I have been wondering about this too. But I can gaurantee that a minidisk
>(Sony) does not dispose the binaural sounds.
>I use it every night to reduce my sleep with a Brainwave preset recently
Hello,
Can you help me which preset are you use for reducing sleep ?
Best regards,
  	Dr.Victor
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Lost time

Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta (5hz)
range?
I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake the
whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago

Re: Lost time

At 10:55 PM 2/14/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta (5hz)
>range?
Not necessarily lost time, but the sense of time speeds up in that range,
so a 30 minute meditation may seem to take 5-10 minutes.
>I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake the
>whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
That's happened to me before, but it doesn't happen very often.
The mystics say that time does not exist at all, and if you think about it,
it makes sense.  The past is just a bunch of memories, and although you
could say it "really happened," it exists *now* as only memories.  The
future is only anticipation.  Only now really exists as something *real*.
Some mystics call this "The eternal now moment," and don't experience time
"passing" at all.
If you think about it, time "moves" from now to now to now... so is it
really moving at all?  When the future gets here, it's still "now."  And
thinking about the past happens "now."  So is there any other time but now?
According to some, the idea of "time passing" is a misperception of the
brain, due to thought.  Thought moves, but time does not move, and the
movement of thought creates the sense of "time passing," when actually time
is standing still and *thoughts* are moving.  Intriguing, eh?
Tim

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Re: Lost time

Thank you for your interesting comments.
I have also noticed myself "looking" for a sign that im going into a certain
brain wave pattern, which highly iterupts me trying to do that.  Also, when
in very low (4hz) theta, I find myself waking up with the headphone cords
around my neck, Think its time for wireless headphones? or do they degrade
the quality?
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gerchmez <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: Lost time
>At 10:55 PM 2/14/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>>Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta
(5hz)
>>range?
>
>Not necessarily lost time, but the sense of time speeds up in that range,
>so a 30 minute meditation may seem to take 5-10 minutes.
>
>>I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake
the
>>whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
>
>That's happened to me before, but it doesn't happen very often.
>
>The mystics say that time does not exist at all, and if you think about it,
>it makes sense.  The past is just a bunch of memories, and although you
>could say it "really happened," it exists *now* as only memories.  The
>future is only anticipation.  Only now really exists as something *real*.
>Some mystics call this "The eternal now moment," and don't experience time
>"passing" at all.
>
>If you think about it, time "moves" from now to now to now... so is it
>really moving at all?  When the future gets here, it's still "now."  And
>thinking about the past happens "now."  So is there any other time but now?
>
>According to some, the idea of "time passing" is a misperception of the
>brain, due to thought.  Thought moves, but time does not move, and the
>movement of thought creates the sense of "time passing," when actually time
>is standing still and *thoughts* are moving.  Intriguing, eh?
>
>Tim
>
>
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Re: Lost time

Wow, even that ellicited a response from me.
Pretty deep 
=)

Re: Lost time

At 02:00 AM 2/16/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Thank you for your interesting comments.
>
>I have also noticed myself "looking" for a sign that im going into a certain
>brain wave pattern, which highly iterupts me trying to do that.  Also, when
>in very low (4hz) theta, I find myself waking up with the headphone cords
>around my neck, Think its time for wireless headphones? or do they degrade
>the quality?
Wireless headphones should be fine (as long as they're stereo) since the
frequencies used are right in the middle of the spectrum.
Tim

Re: Lost time

i made a preset once, that sweeps the 3Hz to 10Hz range repeatedly. began
listening to it on the floor next to my computer, only place there's enough
room to stretch out next to the computer. it was set to run for 15 minutes.
I fell "asleep" listening to it, and woke up in BED next to my wife, about 4
feet away. She said she was asleep the whole night, so I somehow got into
bed without realizing it.
If you'd like i can find the copy of my preset and send to you. I chose not
to use that one again for a while.
BillP
----- Original Message -----
From: Lori and Eric <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Lost time
> Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta
(5hz)
> range?
>
> I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake
the
> whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
>
>
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Re: Lost time

At 02:09 AM 2/16/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Wow, even that ellicited a response from me.
>Pretty deep 
>=)
I've been interested in (and involved with) mysticism, also known as
nonduality or Advaita (the Hindu term) for over a year.  There are a bunch
of spiritual practices associated with it, meditation is probably the most
well known.  It doesn't have to be spiritual or religious though, since
nonduality is actually a perspective or viewpoint on reality or "ultimate
reality."
There are some interesting websites and mailing lists if you want to
explore it yourself, but I gotta warn you, compared to what I said about
time, there's some stuff out there so much deeper, it's like looking down
into a well a thousand miles deep... careful, don't slip over the edge... ;-) 
(of course, there's a bunch of crap out there too, so watch where you're
stepping) :-).
Here's a couple good "jumping off points" <grin>...
http://www.nonduality.com
http://www.realization.org
Peace,
Tim

Re: Lost time

Sounds interesting, could you maby post that preset?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Perry <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Lost time
>i made a preset once, that sweeps the 3Hz to 10Hz range repeatedly. began
>listening to it on the floor next to my computer, only place there's enough
>room to stretch out next to the computer. it was set to run for 15 minutes.
>I fell "asleep" listening to it, and woke up in BED next to my wife, about
4
>feet away. She said she was asleep the whole night, so I somehow got into
>bed without realizing it.
>If you'd like i can find the copy of my preset and send to you. I chose not
>to use that one again for a while.
>BillP
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lori and Eric <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Lost time
>
>
>> Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta
>(5hz)
>> range?
>>
>> I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake
>the
>> whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
>>
>>
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Re: Lost time

would like to try that one Bill, sounds like it would be fun to play with.
Thanks, Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Perry" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Lost time
> i made a preset once, that sweeps the 3Hz to 10Hz range repeatedly. began
> listening to it on the floor next to my computer, only place there's
enough
> room to stretch out next to the computer. it was set to run for 15
minutes.
> I fell "asleep" listening to it, and woke up in BED next to my wife, about
4
> feet away. She said she was asleep the whole night, so I somehow got into
> bed without realizing it.
> If you'd like i can find the copy of my preset and send to you. I chose
not
> to use that one again for a while.
> BillP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lori and Eric <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Lost time
>
>
> > Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta
> (5hz)
> > range?
> >
> > I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake
> the
> > whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
> >
> >
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Re: Lost time

At 04:49 AM 2/16/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>would like to try that one Bill, sounds like it would be fun to play with.
Sounds like everyone wants to learn how to sleepwalk <hehehehehe>...
Tim

RE: Lost time

Bill, I would like to try that one as well.  Always like investigating -
'out there'...
Lexi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G_man [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Lost time
>
>
> would like to try that one Bill, sounds like it would be fun to play with.
> Thanks, Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bill Perry" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Lost time
>
>
> > i made a preset once, that sweeps the 3Hz to 10Hz range
> repeatedly. began
> > listening to it on the floor next to my computer, only place there's
> enough
> > room to stretch out next to the computer. it was set to run for 15
> minutes.
> > I fell "asleep" listening to it, and woke up in BED next to my
> wife, about
> 4
> > feet away. She said she was asleep the whole night, so I
> somehow got into
> > bed without realizing it.
> > If you'd like i can find the copy of my preset and send to you. I chose
> not
> > to use that one again for a while.
> > BillP
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lori and Eric <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Lost time
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta
> > (5hz)
> > > range?
> > >
> > > I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing
> I was awake
> > the
> > > whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Lost time

I will post the preset if NOONE has an objection to that. Is posting of
presets still allowed to the list, or should I use the FTP thing?
BillP
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Gerchmez <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Lost time
> At 04:49 AM 2/16/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> >would like to try that one Bill, sounds like it would be fun to play
with.
>
> Sounds like everyone wants to learn how to sleepwalk <hehehehehe>...
>
> Tim
>
>
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>

*Please read this*

Hi.
I am reading my messages again, and this time my
Netscape is configurated to move the messages of
this list to a  folder that was created for this
purpose.  Is cool, now each mailing-list stay in
diferents folders in my Inbox.
But... a thing may be better: When you post your
message, please look the subject and body. Is it
compatible?
Some people use to write in same subject forever...
Take care... LOOK, then write.
Another tip:  Try to discard some lines when you
reply any e-mail. This mailing-list, for example,
includes information about how to  "unsubscribe",
and  about the  home-page at bottom of all posts.
So, why to repeat that block again and again? Do
you understand? Right.
Here is Cristiano, from Rio de Janeiro -  Brazil.
Well, I hope that this tips may help you and the
mailing-list.
Good "look". :=)
Bye.
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Re: Lost time

Bill please send that one to me also.
     Have you ever checked out :Tools For Exploration" ?? Cataloge?? thet
are an outfit in San Rafael Calif. They sell Mind Machines and all the other
devices etc. Also see the Monroe Institute. thanks have fun!!!! Terry
Arbegust
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lexia Siimes" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: Lost time
> Bill, I would like to try that one as well.  Always like investigating -
> 'out there'...
>
> Lexi
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: G_man [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:49 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Lost time
> >
> >
> > would like to try that one Bill, sounds like it would be fun to play
with.
> > Thanks, Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Bill Perry" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Lost time
> >
> >
> > > i made a preset once, that sweeps the 3Hz to 10Hz range
> > repeatedly. began
> > > listening to it on the floor next to my computer, only place there's
> > enough
> > > room to stretch out next to the computer. it was set to run for 15
> > minutes.
> > > I fell "asleep" listening to it, and woke up in BED next to my
> > wife, about
> > 4
> > > feet away. She said she was asleep the whole night, so I
> > somehow got into
> > > bed without realizing it.
> > > If you'd like i can find the copy of my preset and send to you. I
chose
> > not
> > > to use that one again for a while.
> > > BillP
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Lori and Eric <[email protected]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Lost time
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low
theta
> > > (5hz)
> > > > range?
> > > >
> > > > I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing
> > I was awake
> > > the
> > > > whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
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RE: *Please read this*

So,... what's your point.
Lexi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cristiano Galvão [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:17 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: *Please read this*
>
>
>
> Hi.
> I am reading my messages again, and this time my
> Netscape is configurated to move the messages of
> this list to a  folder that was created for this
> purpose.  Is cool, now each mailing-list stay in
> diferents folders in my Inbox.
>
> But... a thing may be better: When you post your
> message, please look the subject and body. Is it
> compatible?
>
> Some people use to write in same subject forever...
> Take care... LOOK, then write.
>
> Another tip:  Try to discard some lines when you
> reply any e-mail. This mailing-list, for example,
> includes information about how to  "unsubscribe",
> and  about the  home-page at bottom of all posts.
> So, why to repeat that block again and again? Do
> you understand? Right.
>
> Here is Cristiano, from Rio de Janeiro -  Brazil.
> Well, I hope that this tips may help you and the
> mailing-list.
>
> Good "look". :=)
> Bye.
>
>
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Re: Digest form?

Hi,
> Is there anyway to get this list in digest form? Thanks.
Unfortunately not. However, the list archives are available at
http://www.bwgen.com/list
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hemi-sync

Hi does any one have any detailed explanations of hemi-sync, how it works,
what it does.
Are there any shareware programs or examples of this??
with thanx
--
=============
Gareth Clements
?

Re: *Please read this*

Cristiano wrote:
>But... a thing may be better:
Yep - especially if you don't fill my in box with duplicate messages and 
unnecessary HTML.
Something to do with removing the plank from your own eye before trying to 
remove a splinter from someone else's eye?
Eye thank you!
Andy B.

RE: hemi-sync

Gareth,
Go to this site. Robert Monroe was the originator of "Hemi-Sync" and there
is lots of discussion about it there.
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/
Darryl
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: hemi-sync
Hi does any one have any detailed explanations of hemi-sync, how it works,
what it does.
Are there any shareware programs or examples of this??
with thanx
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Re: Lost time

Here is the preset that caused my temporary "amnesia" or "lost time". I
wonder what would happen if you turned it on after the listener was asleep?
BillP
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Perry <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: Lost time
> I will post the preset if NOONE has an objection to that. Is posting of
> presets still allowed to the list, or should I use the FTP thing?
> BillP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Gerchmez <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Lost time
>
>
> > At 04:49 AM 2/16/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> > >would like to try that one Bill, sounds like it would be fun to play
> with.
> >
> > Sounds like everyone wants to learn how to sleepwalk <hehehehehe>...
> >
> > Tim
> >
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RE: hemi-sync

I recently remeber some guy, his email address was [email protected] i think,
and he said he could mimick the effects of hemi sync with the brainwave
generator or some other program.  i find the the bwgen prog has very little
effect on me because i can actually hear the beats, is there some way to
cover them and still consciously hear them.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Gareth Clements [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 11:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: hemi-sync
Hi does any one have any detailed explanations of hemi-sync, how it works,
what it does.
Are there any shareware programs or examples of this??
with thanx
--
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RE: hemi-sync

At 03:09 AM 2/17/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>
>I recently remeber some guy, his email address was [email protected] i think,
>and he said he could mimick the effects of hemi sync with the brainwave
>generator or some other program.  i find the the bwgen prog has very little
>effect on me because i can actually hear the beats, is there some way to
>cover them and still consciously hear them.
I believe Hemi-Synch is supposed to help synchronize the two brain
hemispheres instead of one dominating the other (makes sense, anyway).  One
of the presets on the Bwgen page, the Nocturnal gdheb, seems to have the
same effect.  One way to tell which hemisphere is dominant is that normally
one nostril is more plugged up than the other, and it alternates every few
hours.  I've noticed that the "Nocturnal gdheb" preset seems to clear both,
indicating that brain hemispheres are working in cooperation rather than
one dominating over the other (although I'm still not sure if that's the
purpose of Hemi-Sync).
My main beef with bwgen is that plain old binaural beats just sound ugly
and often so strident that it negates any relaxing effect.  I often use
Cool Edit's brainwave sync instead, as it uses an entirely different
technique with pink noise so that it's pleasant to listen to and barely
noticeable (but even more effective).  You can even add binaural beats on
top of the pink noise, since Cool Edit is also a .wav editor and can
generate tones.
Tim
Tim

Re: Lost time

could you send it to me, please.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 00-02-16 at 03:32 Bill Perry wrote:
>i made a preset once, that sweeps the 3Hz to 10Hz range repeatedly. began
>listening to it on the floor next to my computer, only place there's enough
>room to stretch out next to the computer. it was set to run for 15 minutes.
>I fell "asleep" listening to it, and woke up in BED next to my wife, about 4
>feet away. She said she was asleep the whole night, so I somehow got into
>bed without realizing it.
>If you'd like i can find the copy of my preset and send to you. I chose not
>to use that one again for a while.
>BillP
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lori and Eric <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Lost time
>
>
>> Does anyone else experence  sense of "lost time" when in the low theta
>(5hz)
>> range?
>>
>> I will find myself "awakening" with a fuzzy mind but knowing I was awake
>the
>> whole time, but it has been over 30 minutes ago
>>
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RE: hemi-sync

Gareth;
Here is a Monroe Institue URL that goes to the page explaining what
Hemi-Sync is.
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/hemi-sync.html
Lexi
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:02 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: hemi-sync
>
>
> Hi does any one have any detailed explanations of hemi-sync, how it works,
> what it does.
> Are there any shareware programs or examples of this??
>
> with thanx
> --
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>
> ?
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RE: hemi-sync

At 03:48 PM 2/17/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Gareth;
>
>Here is a Monroe Institue URL that goes to the page explaining what
>Hemi-Sync is.
>
>http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/hemi-sync.html
My impression -
Hemi-Sync basically looks like a "system" of binaural beats combined with a
bunch of hype and other encouragement (which I'm sure has a certain placebo
effect :-).  It's basically "organized binaural beats..." by organized, I
mean it has been made into a system and embellished, icing has been added
on the cake, etc.  But the heart of the whole thing is still the same old
binaural beat technology.
It's like buying brand-name aspirin, or generic aspirin.  It looks like
Bwgen and other tools are the generic stuff, Hemi-Sync(R)(TM)(PhD)(MS) is
the brand name.  But guess what, both contain the same active ingredient.
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RE: hemi-sync

> I recently remeber some guy, his email address was
> [email protected] i think,
> and he said he could mimick the effects of hemi sync
> with the brainwave
> generator or some other program.  i find the the
> bwgen prog has very little
> effect on me because i can actually hear the beats,
> is there some way to
> cover them and still consciously hear them.
A few months ago, someone (perhaps the same person?)
posted instructions for emulating Hemi-Sync with
bwgen.  I made a preset based on these guidelines, but
found nothing remarkable about the experience when I
put it to the test.
As to 'covering' carrier tones, do you mean masking
them completely, so as to be consciously undetectable?
 If this is the case, then--as has been previously
noted--Cool Edit might be a more suitable tool for the
job than bwgen, but bear in mind it uses a different
method to achieve the frequency-following response.
I used this method almost exclusively for about a year
before bwgen became my main tool of choice.
Alternatively, if the carrier tones are simply too
overbearing, simply decreasing the volume of the
tones, while increasing the background volume might be
enough for the former to cease to be a distraction. 
Cool Edit can embed entrainment frequencies within
virtually any sound audible to humans (including music
and voices), although certain kinds of sound are much
more condusive to the process than others.  It is for
this reason that natural sounds and noise were chosen
for the majority of background sounds in bwgen.  The
simplest entrainment sessions people generate with
Cool Edit utilize pink or brown noise; they are
pleasant to listen to, and quick and easy to generate.
 Most people seem to prefer brown noise, since it's
softer.  White is too harsh for many people, but
filtering white or pink noise with a robust sound
editor (such as Cool Edit, or the much superior Sound
Forge) can have very pleasant effects on the
listenability.  When I have some time, I'd like to
create a number of interesting, loopable background
sounds suitable for use with bwgen. Unfortunately,
bwgen's 1MB filesize cap on WAVs limits what I can
use.
Notwithstanding, you shouldn't rely solely on
brainwave entrainment to 'program' relaxation into
you: try to cultivate your ability to relax your body
as quickly as possible, and avoid being trapped by
thoughts that linger too much on one subject, which
includes not focusing on the tones.  Don't try to
ignore them, just accept them.  Truly effective
relaxation/meditation is a very indirect process, but
_implicitly_ understanding the principles behind
effective meditation will help you in every aspect of
your life.
But in all fairness, listening to binaural beats
without any background sounds for extended periods
causes irritability in some people.  If you experience
this, headache, or a feeling something like congestion
in your head after entraining, try reducing the volume
on your audio source, and/or lay off the beats for a
few days.
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Re: Digest form?

what list?
-dragon

Re: Lost time

hey!! count me in too ;)
-dragon

Re: hemi-sync

where can i find this program?
and is it free?
-dragon

RE: hemi-sync

At 06:52 PM 2/17/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>As to 'covering' carrier tones, do you mean masking
>them completely, so as to be consciously undetectable?
> If this is the case, then--as has been previously
>noted--Cool Edit might be a more suitable tool for the
>job than bwgen, but bear in mind it uses a different
>method to achieve the frequency-following response.
>I used this method almost exclusively for about a year
>before bwgen became my main tool of choice.
Actually, the two methods can be combined using Cool Edit's "mix paste"
feature.  In other words, you can generate a brainwave file using Cool
Edit's (different) technique, and then overlay an exported .wav file from
Bwgen using "mix paste" at any volume you choose (at least, Cool Edit Pro
lets you do this, don't know about the other versions).  I've found that
combining the two is better than either alone, as long as the binaural
beats are at a relatively low volume (and follow the same "frequencies as
those used with Cool Edit's brainwave generator functions).
>Alternatively, if the carrier tones are simply too overbearing, simply
>decreasing the volume of the tones, while increasing the background volume
>might be enough for the former to cease to be a distraction. 
>Cool Edit can embed entrainment frequencies within virtually any sound
audible >to humans (including music and voices), although certain kinds of
sound are >much more condusive to the process than others.
Generally sounds horrible using music and voices.  I believe Hemi-Sync
chooses music within a certain limited frequency range and then adds
binaural beats at similar frequencies "underneath" the music.  That's what
it sounded like on their demos, anyway.
>It is for this reason that natural sounds and noise were chosen
>for the majority of background sounds in bwgen.  The
>simplest entrainment sessions people generate with
>Cool Edit utilize pink or brown noise; they are
>pleasant to listen to, and quick and easy to generate.
>Most people seem to prefer brown noise, since it's
>softer.
I've found that brown noise is less effective than pink noise in brainwave
synchronization (and the "throbbing" effect is more noticeable), but it
could just be that the "harsher" sound of pink noise gives my mind
something to (indirectly) focus on.
>White is too harsh for many people,
It does make a good "undertone" for sine-wave binaural beats, as long as
it's not too loud.
>but filtering white or pink noise with a robust sound editor (such as Cool
>Edit, or the much superior Sound Forge) can have very pleasant effects on
the >listenability.
My experience is that Cool Edit Pro is superior for doing certain things,
Sound Forge for others.  Sound Forge doesn't have the sophisticated graphic
equalization offered in Cool Edit Pro (unless they've added it in a later
version; I've got v4.5).
>Notwithstanding, you shouldn't rely solely on brainwave entrainment to
>'program' relaxation into you: try to cultivate your ability to relax your
>body as quickly as possible, and avoid being trapped by thoughts that
linger >too much on one subject, which includes not focusing on the tones.
Don't try >to ignore them, just accept them.
Definitely; that's the meditative approach (neither grasp nor reject).
Dependency on external stimuli for meditation is not a good idea - might as
well take a pill.  My view is that brainwave entrainment can be helpful,
but certainly is not required for meditation, nor is it a be-all and
end-all approach.  Really, just externally stimulating the brain into some
waveform is not meditation at all, although it can be helpful.
>But in all fairness, listening to binaural beats without any background
sounds >for extended periods causes irritability in some people.  If you
experience
>this, headache, or a feeling something like congestion in your head after
>entraining, try reducing the volume on your audio source, and/or lay off
the >beats for a few days.
A wise enough suggestion.
Thanks for the post,
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Re: hemi-sync

The following is what I collected from mailing lists about HemiSync tapes.
The main source of information was http://www.httptech.com/cooledit/
(old CoolEdit maillists). Beware that it may be incorrect. I haven't  tried
it myself (yet).
Ivan
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wave I - Discovery
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tape 1 - Orientation (Focus 3)
Hemisync, Energy Conversion Box, Gateway Affirmation, Resonant Tuning
l/r 300/304 plus 100 Hz and 500 Hz carriers without recognizeable Delta
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tape 2 - Intro Focus 10
Focus 10, Ten Point Relaxation
100[4.0], 300[4.0], 500[4.0]
Tape 3 - Advanced Focus 10
Reball
Tape 4 - Release and Recharge (Focus 10)
Process of Energy Conversion - Daily Exercise!
l/r 100/104, 414/410, 504/500
Tape 5 - Exploration Sleep (Focus 10)
Remembering who and what you are, Rolling out, Floating upwards
l/r 100/104, 300/304, 496/500
Tape 6 - Focus 10 Free Flow for your own purpose
l/r 100/104, 300/304, 500/504
C1: 308/322, 500/515
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wave II - Threshold
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tape 1 - Intro Focus 12
l/r 51/51.75, 98.75/101; Delta-Frq: 0.75 + 2.25 Hz
Tape 2 - Problem Solving (Focus 12)
l/r 99.5/101, 202.7/204.2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                   Focus Levels/Frequencies
F3   59[1.2]-110[1.3], 288[3.7]
F10  100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0]
F12  100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 400[10.0],
     500[10.1], 600[4.8]
F15  100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 500[7.05],
     630[7.1], 750[7.0]
F21  200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 600[16.2], 750[15.9],
     900[16.2]
F22  Same as F21
F23  400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[3.9], 900[4.0]
F24  50[0.75], 400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0],
     900[4.0]
F25  503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F26  400[3.9], 503[4.2], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F27  Same as F26
Example: The notation 503[4.2] should be understood to
  represent a beat frequency of 4.2 Hz between two
  carriers equally separated from 503 Hz (i.e., 500.9
  and 505.1 Hz).
Amplitudes are generally maintained about 20 dB above
background 1/f (pink) noise and/or surf.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 L  59.6, 110.65, 289.85
F3
 R  58.4, 109.35, 286.15
 L   100.75, 202, 252, 302
F10
 R   99.25, 198, 248, 298
 L   100.75, 202, 252, 302, 405,    505.05,   602.4
F12
 R   99.25, 198, 248, 298, 395,    494.95,   597.6
 L   100.75, 202, 252, 302, 503.525,  633.55,  753.5
F15
 R   99.25, 198, 248, 298,   496.475,   626.45,   746.5
to create F10 on cool edit
create a new file 16 bit stereo at 22050 saamples
edit left channel,  generate tones,, 100.75 hz,, -30 db(sliding
vertical bar on right)
no modulation,, set duration for no more than 20 seconds( unless you
have=20
lots of RAM(random access memory not robert monroe)
edit right channel, generate tones, 99.25 hz,, db should remain
constant
edit both channels,,=20
under edit menu,,select entire wave, and then copy it
edit left channel,, generate tones,,202 hz
edit right channel,,generate tones,, 198 hz
edit both channels
under edit menu,,select entire wav,, then mix paste,, then copy
edit left channel,,  generate tones 252 hz
edit right channel,, generate tones 248 hz
edit both channels
under edit menu,, select entire wav,,mix paste,, then copy
edit left channel,,genereate tones, 302 hz
edit right channel,,generate tones,,298 hz
edit both channels
under edit menu,, select entire wav,,mix paste
then save as F10.wav
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:09 AM
Subject: RE: hemi-sync
>
> I recently remeber some guy, his email address was [email protected] i
think,
> and he said he could mimick the effects of hemi sync with the brainwave
> generator or some other program.  i find the the bwgen prog has very
little
> effect on me because i can actually hear the beats, is there some way to
> cover them and still consciously hear them.
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gareth Clements [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 11:02
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: hemi-sync
>
>
> Hi does any one have any detailed explanations of hemi-sync, how it works,
> what it does.
> Are there any shareware programs or examples of this??
>
> with thanx
> --
> =============
> Gareth Clements
>
> ?
>
>
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My Preset-was Re: Lost Time

To all, i posted the preset in a bwgen message dated 2/16 6:09pm
Billp

Loud Music Stimulates Sex Centre in the Brain

>From /New Scientist/ Magazine:
"Loud Music Stimulates Sex Centre in the Brain"
By Robert Ward
LOUD music stimulates a part of the ear connected to
the brain'spleasure centre which controls the body's
cravings for sex and food, scientists report today.
People's response to the thumping beat of pop music is
controlled by a tiny organ in the inner ear, called
the sacculus, that is not thought to have any hearing
function. The sacculus, which sends messages to the
hypothalamus, normally controls our sense of balance,
but is also sensitive to noises above 90 decibels, say
the researchers at Manchester University.
When the volume of a sound is turned up, it generates
vibrations that are picked up by the sacculus, said
Neill Todd, who led the research team. The sacculus is
probably inherited from a fish-like ancestor.
Dr Todd told New Scientist: "The distribution of
frequencies that are typical in rock concerts and at
dance clubs almost seem designed to stimulate the
sacculus. They are absolutely smack bang in this range
of sensitivity."
According to Dr Todd, whose research will be published
later this year in the journal Hearing Research, loud
sounds may create the same sensations people feel when
they sit on a swing or bungee-jump. The connection of
the sacculus to the pleasure centre in the brain means
that people gain a pleasurable buzz when they listen
to loud music, and may explain its popularity.
Fish are the only animals known to use the sacculus
for hearing, and appear to be sensitive to the same
range of frequencies as people. This suggests the
organ evolved from a common ancestor.
Dr Neill's team tested 11 students who listened to
tone pips of varying frequencies. The experiments
showed that the sacculus was sensitive to sounds
having a frequency of 50 hertz to 1,000 hertz, with a
peak
between 300 and 350 hertz. Male voices can reach up to
200 hertz, while women can hit 400 hertz.
As the sacculus lies deep inside the ear, the
researchers were unable to measure directly its
reaction to sound. However, the sacculus sends
electrical signals through the neck to regulate the
balance of the head. The researchers used electrodes
to measure the extra signals produced in response to
sound while the students tensed their necks to keep
their heads still.
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Re: hemi-sync

Why so much delta in the Hemisync tapes, I wonder?  Interesting.
Tim
At 01:32 AM 2/18/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>The following is what I collected from mailing lists about HemiSync tapes.
>The main source of information was http://www.httptech.com/cooledit/
>(old CoolEdit maillists). Beware that it may be incorrect. I haven't  tried
>it myself (yet).
<snip>
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RE: hemi-sync

> feature.  In other words, you can generate a
> brainwave file using Cool
> Edit's (different) technique, and then overlay an
> exported .wav file from
> Bwgen using "mix paste" at any volume you choose (at
> least, Cool Edit Pro
> lets you do this, don't know about the other
> versions).  I've found that
This is true, and yes, of course Cool Edit 96/2000
have Mix Paste.  Similarly, one could mix masked
brainwaves with bwgen by simply importing encoded WAVs
as background sounds.
> I've found that brown noise is less effective than
> pink noise in brainwave
> synchronization (and the "throbbing" effect is more
> noticeable), but it
> could just be that the "harsher" sound of pink noise
> gives my mind
> something to (indirectly) focus on.
The softness (color) of the noise should have no
bearing on the effectiveness of entrainment other than
purely subjective reactions.  An interesting feature
of bwgen is that the color of the noise can be shifted
over time.  This offers a pleasant way to indicate a
brainwave shift, or segue into the next frequency
phase in a session.  One could create a journey out of
noise and ambient sounds (appropriately doctored for
cavernous echoing, parametric/spatial illusions,
Doppler effect, etc., as appropriate) to accompany an
entrainment session.
> My experience is that Cool Edit Pro is superior for
> doing certain things,
> Sound Forge for others.  Sound Forge doesn't have
> the sophisticated graphic
> equalization offered in Cool Edit Pro (unless
> they've added it in a later
> version; I've got v4.5).
True; but overall, CEP vs. SF is kind of an apples and
oranges comparison, as CEP's definitive role is that
of a multiquencer (but Samplitude 2496 gets my vote
for multiquencing).  CEP has a lovely interface,
DirectX support, and a few odds and ends that make it
useful to keep around.  Unfortunately, every version
I've used (1.0, 1.1, and 1.2) was too unstable for
critical projects.  1.2 is much more stable than its
predecessors, but I still wouldn't be comfortable
working with 600MB files in CEP, seeing as how it's
bitten it when undertaking far lesser tasks (includes
running under Win95b, Win98, and NT Server 4 SP4).  So
far I've had no problems with it under Win2k Pro, but
then again, I rarely use it (CEP).  That said, the
prospect of having a brainwave generator built into a
multiquencer is exciting indeed (goodbye marker tags
and mix paste)!
 milk and cookies,
 Todd
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Re: Binaural beats, MP3, and MiniDisc

--- [email protected] wrote:
> But my question was about whether or not subliminal
> messages will still be
> intact after being encoded into MP3 format.
I believe someone already addressed this by pointing
out that imperceptible sounds were lost after MP3
encoding.  This is exactly right, but subliminal
messages aren't necessarily consciously imperceptible
to the ears.  As you may know, subliminal messages can
be 'encoded' in different ways, such as being recorded
at barely-audible volumes or being sped-up.  Both of
these methods aim to avoid the subject's conscious
detection of the message, although the brain still
picks it up subconsciously.  As long as the subliminal
message is not overwhelmed by competing sounds, then
theoretically they'd be preserved.  However, chances
are your subliminal messages ARE masked in some way,
in which case I would't trust them to MP3 compression,
since there's a good chance that they'd be at least
partially compromised.
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Todd/RE: hemi-sync

At 09:45 PM 2/18/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>> I've found that brown noise is less effective than
>> pink noise in brainwave
>> synchronization (and the "throbbing" effect is more
>> noticeable), but it
>> could just be that the "harsher" sound of pink noise
>> gives my mind
>> something to (indirectly) focus on.
>
>The softness (color) of the noise should have no
>bearing on the effectiveness of entrainment other than
>purely subjective reactions.
Isn't it possible that at certain frequency ranges, harmonics are produced
(either low or high-frequency) that tend to "mask" the entrainment
algorithm?  For example (and again this is subjective, I have no proof),
I've found that the most effective algorithms are produced at 11,025 KHZ
rather than higher bitrates in Cool Edit Pro.  I'm guessing that this is
because a number of high-frequency harmonics are introduced at higher
bitrates that tend to "mask out" the overall brainwave sync effect.  
According to Syntrillium (and this is directly from their .PDF manual),
"The active ingredient, so to speak, are the frequencies from about 40Hz up
to about 2khz depending on the frequency being encoded and the intensity."
Since the "active ingredient" in their algorithm falls at or below 2 KHz,
it makes sense to me that to encode at higher frequencies (say, 44,100 KHz)
would tend to add a lot of unwanted frequency information to the original
pink or brown noise file, resulting in decreased effectiveness of the
entrainment algorithm.  Just speculating, but subjectively I've gotten the
best "results" using 11,025 KHz, 16-bit stereo .wav files (and I've been
encoding and playing around with brainwave sync files in Cool Edit Pro for
at least the past year).
Take care,
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Re: Todd/RE: hemi-sync

Hello Tim I have a question what does Sum Ergo Sum mean? I know that it is 
Latin but what does it mean.
-dragon

Re: hemi-sync having a lot of delta

At 01:36 PM 2/18/2000 , you wrote:
>Why so much delta in the Hemisync tapes, I wonder?  Interesting.
I talked to Mark, the music composer at the Monroe Institue last summer. He 
said that the delta is used to shift consciousness towards hypnagogic 
states, prior to adding some theta, alpha or delta, to achieve various 
target states of consciousness. So it is a kind of pre-conditioning.
Regards, Eddy.

Cool Edit mailing list?

Can anyone tell me if there is a cool edit mailing list that is =
operational and perhaps has maybe an archive of past messages.
Thanks.
John=20
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RE: sum ergo sum

At 01:06 AM 2/19/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello Tim I have a question what does Sum Ergo Sum mean? I know that it is 
>Latin but what does it mean.
It means "I am, therefore I am."  Seems obvious, but "I think, therefore I
am" (cognito ergo sum) is an illogical statement, as there is no logical
connection between thinking and existing -- 
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Re: hemi-sync having a lot of delta

At 01:26 AM 2/19/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>At 01:36 PM 2/18/2000 , you wrote:
>
>>Why so much delta in the Hemisync tapes, I wonder?  Interesting.
>I talked to Mark, the music composer at the Monroe Institue last summer. He 
>said that the delta is used to shift consciousness towards hypnagogic 
>states, prior to adding some theta, alpha or delta, to achieve various 
>target states of consciousness. So it is a kind of pre-conditioning.
Hmmm... makes sense, I suppose, but I tend to think of mid to low theta as
"hypnagogic" -- delta is sleep, plain and simple.  Of course, I'm no
expert, and I'll assume they know more about it than I do :-)
Tim

Re: hemi-sync having a lot of delta

At 07:14 PM 2/18/2000 , you wrote:
>At 01:26 AM 2/19/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> >At 01:36 PM 2/18/2000 , you wrote:
> >
> >>Why so much delta in the Hemisync tapes, I wonder?  Interesting.
>
> >I talked to Mark, the music composer at the Monroe Institue last summer. He
> >said that the delta is used to shift consciousness towards hypnagogic
> >states, prior to adding some theta, alpha or delta, to achieve various
> >target states of consciousness. So it is a kind of pre-conditioning.
>
>Hmmm... makes sense, I suppose, but I tend to think of mid to low theta as
>"hypnagogic" -- delta is sleep, plain and simple.  Of course, I'm no
>expert, and I'll assume they know more about it than I do :-)
Do they ever... they put me in a sensory deprivation room (called a PREP 
unit), on a waterbed, with a pair of headphones. Within minutes, i was 
having some remarkable experiences: regression to the womb, visions, and 
other states of consciousness that i had never experienced before. The 
technology they have up there (in Virginia, near Charlottesville) is more 
advanced than the Hemi-sync products they sell to the general public.
Back to the Delta issue: one way to look at it is that a radical shift of 
consciousness (such as from beta to theta) requires a strong pull. A whole 
soup of hormones maintains the beta state during the day. To counteract it, 
a strong pull in the other direction (ie, towards delta) will help the 
brain go towards theta faster. Entrainment (i.e gradual rather than abrupt 
changes in stimulus frequencies) also seems to help pull the brain faster.
Another thing I learned from Mark at the Monroe Inst, is that they have 
analyzed the EEG of several meditators, in different meditative states, and 
have found out that to each of these states corresponds a different mix of 
the four components. Typically, a pre-dominance of Theta, with a smattering 
of delta, alpha, and even some beta.
Regards, Eddy.

Re: hemi-sync having a lot of delta

Would it be possible to get EEG readings from a person having
hallucinations, or possibly tripping on some LSD-type substance, and then
use the EEG patterns to make a hallucinatory preset? Also, does anyone have
a preset that does this already?
Bill Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Eddy Philippe <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: hemi-sync having a lot of delta
> At 07:14 PM 2/18/2000 , you wrote:
> >At 01:26 AM 2/19/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> > >At 01:36 PM 2/18/2000 , you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Why so much delta in the Hemisync tapes, I wonder?  Interesting.
> >
> > >I talked to Mark, the music composer at the Monroe Institue last
summer. He
> > >said that the delta is used to shift consciousness towards hypnagogic
> > >states, prior to adding some theta, alpha or delta, to achieve various
> > >target states of consciousness. So it is a kind of pre-conditioning.
> >
> >Hmmm... makes sense, I suppose, but I tend to think of mid to low theta
as
> >"hypnagogic" -- delta is sleep, plain and simple.  Of course, I'm no
> >expert, and I'll assume they know more about it than I do :-)
> Do they ever... they put me in a sensory deprivation room (called a PREP
> unit), on a waterbed, with a pair of headphones. Within minutes, i was
> having some remarkable experiences: regression to the womb, visions, and
> other states of consciousness that i had never experienced before. The
> technology they have up there (in Virginia, near Charlottesville) is more
> advanced than the Hemi-sync products they sell to the general public.
>
> Back to the Delta issue: one way to look at it is that a radical shift of
> consciousness (such as from beta to theta) requires a strong pull. A whole
> soup of hormones maintains the beta state during the day. To counteract
it,
> a strong pull in the other direction (ie, towards delta) will help the
> brain go towards theta faster. Entrainment (i.e gradual rather than abrupt
> changes in stimulus frequencies) also seems to help pull the brain faster.
>
> Another thing I learned from Mark at the Monroe Inst, is that they have
> analyzed the EEG of several meditators, in different meditative states,
and
> have found out that to each of these states corresponds a different mix of
> the four components. Typically, a pre-dominance of Theta, with a
smattering
> of delta, alpha, and even some beta.
>
> Regards, Eddy.
>
>
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Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

I'd dabbled in hypnosis some years back, and when I tried bwgen, found
that it enhanced the ability to get into deeply relaxed states. Does
it make sense to anyone who is seeking lucid dreams or OOBE's that
perhaps making hypnotic suggestions to that effect could be the way to
go, while using bwgen? I mean, a continual set of commands to tell the
mind to engage itself in those ways?

Re: hallucinatory preset

At 06:56 AM 2/19/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Would it be possible to get EEG readings from a person having
>hallucinations, or possibly tripping on some LSD-type substance, and then
>use the EEG patterns to make a hallucinatory preset?
I highly doubt it.  Substances like LSD mainly alter the biochemical state
of the brain, whereas programs like Bwgen change only the electrical
(actually not even that, they just "encourage" the brain to "tune itself"
in to new waveforms (with varying degrees of success)... kind of like music
encourages you to enjoy, but not all people do.
Also, the EEG is an *extremely* primitive technology.  They measure
electrical impulses mostly on the very surface levels of the brain, but
can't tell what's going on deeper.  The electrical activity in the brain is
extremely weak, I believe on the order of microvolts.  So an EEG is really
a very crude tool to measure what's happening in the brain.
So my overall conclusion would be... impossible, using just auditory
stimulation (unless some "magic frequency" is discovered that causes
hallucinations, which seems unlikely).
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Re: Todd/RE: hemi-sync

> it.  Given the
> subjective nature of the experience, however, it
> might be that there really
> is no "optimum" intensity.  It may very well depend
> on the individual.  I
The optimum intensity would be the highest value at
which the brainwave signal does not overwrite iteself.
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Re: hemi-sync having a lot of delta

Eddy,
I really enjoyed your post; very interesting and
informative.  I waas wondering whether you volunteered
at the Institute, or whether you simply took a tour of
sorts?  Fascinating place to work, that.
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RE: sum ergo sum

> It means "I am, therefore I am."  Seems obvious, but
> "I think, therefore I
> am" (cognito ergo sum) is an illogical statement, as
> there is no logical
> connection between thinking and existing -- 
But surely the translation of Descartes' actual words
is not "I think, therefore I am," but "I think that I
am, therefore, I am."  His logic is that there is a
certain repugnance in denying one's own existence in
the very instant that you are conceiving the very thought.
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RE: hallucinatory preset

Hi Tim,
I beg to differ.  EEG is not an "extremely" primitive technology.  It has
been around a long time and we can get a lot of very good information from
it.  There is information we can glean from EEG we can not get with other
diagnostic tools.  It is not an MRI, but then MRI's are temporally quite
limited compared to an EEG.  As for surface level, well yes it is a
recording from the surface, but the cortical EEG is intimately tied in to
the activity of subcortical generators, most notably thalamic generators.
We get a mixed picture from "cortical" EEG of activity from groups of
cortical cells and subcortical generators.  Most of the classic resting EEG
is the product of subcortical generators and not cognitive processing.
However I do agree with your response, we likely could not reverse engineer
LSD EEG (by whatever means) and create an LSD like state.  I am not even
sure LSD would alter EEG.  Some medications have profound impacts and some
do not alter EEG at all while making significant behavioral and
phenomenological changes (Ritalin for instance).  EEG is more like
wiretapping a phone system, it lets us listen in on some of the
communications going on in the brain, but it tells us nothing about what the
interneurons themselves are really doing.
Richard Kennerly
"And this our life, exempt from public haunt, finds tongues in trees, books
in running brooks, sermons in stones, and good in everything."
  - Shakespeare
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From: Tim Gerchmez [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 3:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: hallucinatory preset
At 06:56 AM 2/19/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Would it be possible to get EEG readings from a person having
>hallucinations, or possibly tripping on some LSD-type substance, and then
>use the EEG patterns to make a hallucinatory preset?
I highly doubt it.  Substances like LSD mainly alter the biochemical state
of the brain, whereas programs like Bwgen change only the electrical
(actually not even that, they just "encourage" the brain to "tune itself"
in to new waveforms (with varying degrees of success)... kind of like music
encourages you to enjoy, but not all people do.
Also, the EEG is an *extremely* primitive technology.  They measure
electrical impulses mostly on the very surface levels of the brain, but
can't tell what's going on deeper.  The electrical activity in the brain is
extremely weak, I believe on the order of microvolts.  So an EEG is really
a very crude tool to measure what's happening in the brain.
So my overall conclusion would be... impossible, using just auditory
stimulation (unless some "magic frequency" is discovered that causes
hallucinations, which seems unlikely).
Tim
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RE: sum ergo sum

>But surely the translation of Descartes' actual words
>is not "I think, therefore I am," but "I think that I
>am, therefore, I am."  His logic is that there is a
>certain repugnance in denying one's own existence in
>the very instant that you are conceiving the very thought.
No, he said "I think, therefore I am"
"Cogito" - I think
"Ergo" - therefore
"Sum" - I am
Descartes was concerned to explain stuff like what it really meant to exist, 
what it was within us that constituted the 'sacred', and what was 'profane', 
and so on.
He came up with the notion that our bodies and our minds were separate 
entities - the mind being in the image of God and therefore sacred, our 
bodies being temporary residences for the mind and of no greater importance 
than that.
Hence, according to Descartes, it was the ability to think, which proved the 
existence of a mind, that made him real and worthwhile.
"Sum ergo sum" is perfectly true - but only because it is a tautology.
How about: "Cogito cogito, ergo sum, cogito"
Be well
Andy B.

RE: sum ergo sum

At 12:20 AM 2/20/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>But surely the translation of Descartes' actual words
>is not "I think, therefore I am," but "I think that I
>am, therefore, I am."
No.  The literal translation of "Cognito" into English is "I think."  Ergo
is "therefore," and "Sum" = I Am.
In order to fit what you said above, it would have to be "Cognito Sum Ergo
Sum," which is not what Descartes said, as far as I know.
Tim

RE: sum ergo sum

At 01:36 AM 2/20/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Hence, according to Descartes, it was the ability to think, which proved the 
>existence of a mind, that made him real and worthwhile.
>
>"Sum ergo sum" is perfectly true - but only because it is a tautology.
MY POINT BEING... that a logical tautology is more valuable than Descartes'
opinion, which leaves out the intrinsic worth of everything but the higher
forms of animal life.
Trees don't think (at least, not the way we do)... but do they exist?
Would a tree say "I think, therefore I am?"  Funny Descartes never noticed
that if it wasn't for the oxygen released by those trees, he wouldn't BE at
all.  Ditto a lot of other interdependencies.  If there were no sun or
sunlight, he wouldn't exist.
The existence of thinking only indicates that thinking is present.  Cognito
ergo Cognito is again true.  But Cognito Ergo Sum is the opinion of one
person, and a really stupid opinion, at best.  Many things "ARE" that don't
have the ability to think.  
In fact, excessive thinking causes more problems than it solves.  The mind
loves to generate problems and then try to solve them.  It chatters
incessantly throughout the day about trivialities.  It should be a servant,
but more often than not it acts as a master.
Tim

RE: sum ergo sum

> No, he said "I think, therefore I am"
> 
> "Cogito" - I think
> "Ergo" - therefore
> "Sum" - I am
I'll take the Latin prose as more trustworthy; my
misinformation was based on reading an English
translation that used the phraseology, "I think that I
am, therefore I am."  Rather sizable difference
between the two, I'd say...
> How about: "Cogito cogito, ergo sum, cogito"
Cogito, cogito, bobito, banana-fanna fo feeto...
cogito!
Oi, that's enough off-topic discussion =}
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RE: sum ergo sum

Warning: flames ahead
> Trees don't think (at least, not the way we do)...
> but do they exist?
> Would a tree say "I think, therefore I am?"  Funny
> Descartes never noticed
> that if it wasn't for the oxygen released by those
> trees, he wouldn't BE at
> all.  Ditto a lot of other interdependencies.  If
Funny you never realized that Descartes was only attempting to logically prove
his own existence, not all existence.
> ergo Cognito is again true.  But Cognito Ergo Sum is
> the opinion of one
> person, and a really stupid opinion, at best.
My god!  Someone is certainly on a roll...  You talk from so deeply inside
your own ass that it's a wonder  that your words even manage to reach the
light of day.  For the last week or two, I've noticed that half of the message
volume on this list is you posting nothing but misguided conjecture.  One
would think that you'd get the point after a while, when EVERY BLOODY THING
you post is promptly contradicted with corrections on virtually every
half-baked, misinformed statement you make, by others who are actually
somewhat knowledgeable about the topics at hand.  Although I must say, I'm
impressed that you managed to top "EEG is *extremely* primitive" in the same
day. :p
> Many things "ARE" that don't have the ability to think.  
Oh the irony! :D
> It chatters incessantly throughout the day about trivialities. 
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Visit to the Monroe Institute

At 04:14 PM 2/19/2000 , you wrote:
>Eddy,
>
>I really enjoyed your post; very interesting and
>informative.  I waas wondering whether you volunteered
>at the Institute, or whether you simply took a tour of
>sorts?  Fascinating place to work, that.
Hi Todd! I was attending a meditation retreat last july, at a Buddhist 
center, about 5 miles away from the Monroe Institute. The head of the 
center, a Tibetan lama, had heard rumors about other Tibetan meditators 
achieving some pretty advanced meditations states at the Monroe. So he sent 
me and my buddy Bruce to connect with them. We spend 2 afternoons there.
We told the people at the Monroe that in our Buddhist tradition, there is a 
Dark Retreat practice, where you spend between 3 and 45 days in total 
darkness, to experience visions. They told us they were true believers in 
sensory deprivation as well, and had us go through the PREP experience i 
described before.
I agree, it'd be a GREAT place to work!
Regards, Eddy.

RE: sum ergo sum

Tim wrote:
>MY POINT BEING... that a logical tautology is more valuable than Descartes'
>opinion, which leaves out the intrinsic worth of everything but the higher
>forms of animal life.
>The existence of thinking only indicates that thinking is present.  Cognito
>ergo Cognito is again true.  But Cognito Ergo Sum is the opinion of one
>person, and a really stupid opinion, at best.  Many things "ARE" that don't
>have the ability to think.  
Firstly, you might consider that this was said/written several centuries 
ago.  It might have been quite smart in its day.
Secondly, you're still missing the point.  Descartes wasn't simply concerned 
with whether he, or anything else existed, but with what it meant that he 
could know that he existed.
Thirdly, none of us actually know that anything exists outside of our skin.  
You only have sensory evidence which you *interpret* as being sourced by 
some external reality, but you can never prove that since you can only 
experience this evidence *internally*.
In reality, whatever that is, maybe even *you* are a figment of a 
disembodied mind.
Philosophy is fun - but weird!
Andy B.

SORRY

Hi.
Some people didn't unsderstand my last e-mail.
I never intended to teach anybody, or be pompous.
I learned a thing on Netscape and think to share
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The others things that I wrote are only little things
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the members to read and write easier.
Sometimes I post something about brainwaves (you
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hope that this list can share information with people
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More about it, send e-mail direct to me.
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BrainWave Generator version 3.0

Hi,
BrainWave Generator version 3.0 release schedule has now been announced.
Here are the highlights:
- Beta testing starts on February 28th 2000.
- BrainWave Generator 3.0 will be released in the first week of May 2000.
For more information, including the list of new features, please visit
http://www.bwgen.com/ver30
This page also contains information for those of you who would like
to participate in the beta test.
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Changes in the BrainWave Generator list archive

Hi,
Previously the archives of this BrainWave Generator mailing list
were very difficult to read because they had all mails as simple
text with all cryptic mail headers included. Now this has changed.
The new list archive format uses HTML to show headings, separator
lines etc. Also, all attachments sent to the list will now be stored
and shown as separate files. This makes it very easy to use,
for example, any .bwg files from the archive.
Please have a look at the new format. You'll find it pleasurable to
read!
The archives can be found at http://www.bwgen.com/list
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Monroe/Hemi-Sync

--- Eddy Philippe <[email protected]> wrote:
::Hi Todd! I was attending a meditation retreat last
::july, at a Buddhist 
::center, about 5 miles away from the Monroe
::Institute. The head of the 
::center, a Tibetan lama, had heard rumors about other
::Tibetan meditators 
::achieving some pretty advanced meditations states at
::the Monroe. So he sent 
::me and my buddy Bruce to connect with them. We spend
::2 afternoons there.
<snip>
Eddy,
Sounds smashing... consider yourself very fortunate!
I was wondering: was it you that recently posted the
list of Monroe 'Focus' frequencies?
I recently began programming them, but noticed that
most of the left ear carriers were the lower
frequencies; but toward the end of the e-mail, the
calculated carriers for F3, F10, F12, and F15 all
designate the higher carrier to the left channel.  The
notation used in much of the document (e.g., 400[3.9])
inherently doesn't specify which carrier should be
matched to which ear.  Is this notation standard at
the Institute?
Has anyone else tried these yet?
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Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

--- Ed Guidry <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd dabbled in hypnosis some years back, and when I
> tried bwgen, found
> that it enhanced the ability to get into deeply
> relaxed states. Does
> it make sense to anyone who is seeking lucid dreams
> or OOBE's that
> perhaps making hypnotic suggestions to that effect
> could be the way to
> go, while using bwgen? I mean, a continual set of
> commands to tell the
> mind to engage itself in those ways?
Ed,
I've known a number of people to claim that
self-affirmation--hypnotic or not--to the end of
achieving an OBE, or even often engaging the mind with
the thought of it (as is prone to happen when reading
often about the subject, etc.), does improve their
instance of OBE.
I myself found that I achieved the vibrational state
with much greater quickness and ease during the time
that I was reading William Buhlman's _Adventures
Beyond the Body_.  I attribute this the facts that I
was more subconsciously focused on the goal, often had
the subject on my mind,  and was encouraged to the
reality of my ability to achieve OBE.
Self-affirmations have been shown to do wonders for
many people, and logic dictates that the phenomenon
could be applied to OBE training as well.  It's
actually one of the methods encouraged by the
aforementioned W. Buhlman.
Were you thinking of something like prerecorded
hypnotic suggestion playing during a session, or
actively making mental affirmations to the self while
in a suggestible state?
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Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

>Self-affirmations have been shown to do wonders for
>many people, and logic dictates that the phenomenon
>could be applied to OBE training as well.  It's
>actually one of the methods encouraged by the
>aforementioned W. Buhlman.
Yes, while exploring hypnosis, it occurred to me. I've never been very
interested in OBE's or lucid dreaming, but it seemed logical that
while in deep rest (hypnosis) that affirmations could be very useful
to this (and many other) ends.
>Were you thinking of something like prerecorded
>hypnotic suggestion playing during a session, or
>actively making mental affirmations to the self while
>in a suggestible state?
Generally, I make mental affirmations to myself. It seems a
prerecorded one could possibly be more effective, though.

Re: BrainWave Generator version 3.0

At 12:57 PM 2/21/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>This page also contains information for those of you who would like
>to participate in the beta test.
Any chance of a free registration for participating in the beta test
program?  It would be nice to receive something in return for thorough
testing of the software.
Tim

Re: BrainWave Generator version 3.0

At 12:57 PM 2/21/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>This page also contains information for those of you who would like
>to participate in the beta test.
Any chance of a free registration for participating in the beta test
program?  It would be nice to receive something in return for thorough
testing of the software.
Tim

Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

At 05:30 AM 2/22/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Generally, I make mental affirmations to myself. It seems a
>prerecorded one could possibly be more effective, though.
From what I heard, prerecorded suggestions are more helpful.  The reason is
that if you're in theta (the most suggestible state) and you start focusing
on affirmations, the act of mental focusing and concentration tends to
generate more beta and alpha, and decrease theta, thus defeating its own
purpose.
I read this somewhere, although I don't remember where (I think it was in a
FAQ on mind machines).
Tim

Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

--- Ed Guidry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Generally, I make mental affirmations to myself. It
> seems a prerecorded one could possibly be more
> effective, though.
Two subliminal messages masked in noise are available
from Sonic Arc at http://www.sonicarc.com/sub_files/
I'm uploading trimmed, loopable copies of these files
in the Waves section of MYSTX's brainwave archive:
http://www.filesanywhere.com/
login: mystx
p/w: brainwave
sub_12_04.wav:
"When you sleep you will dream. And then you will
realize that your dream has become lucid."
sub_01_16.wav:
"I am alert. I am active. I feel weightless. I feel
safe, comfortable and secure. I am above myself".
Both files are PCM WAVs.  If file size is a concern,
consider re-saving them as ADPCM WAVs, which would be
considerably smaller.  I saved them as PCM WAVs for
higher compatibility.
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Re: BrainWave Generator version 3.0

Hi,
> Any chance of a free registration for participating in the beta test
> program?  It would be nice to receive something in return for thorough
> testing of the software.
Sorry, but this won't be possible. Most people are eager to participate
in the beta test just to be able to use the new features. Besides, it
wouldn't be fair for the registered users.
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Re: Visual

Hi,
> Have you ever considered having interface for some visual stimulation =
> devices with your software... ?
Yes. BrainWave Generator 3.0 actually implements support for AudioStrobe
compatible goggle hardware. For more information, see
http://www.audiostrobe.com. Currently, BrainWave Generator 3.0 has
only been tested with AudioStrobe's "CLASSIC" decoder model.
The beta announcement page was created in such a hurry, that this
important point was forgotten. :-) It has now been added to the
page at http://www.bwgen.com/ver30.
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

> I was wondering: was it you that recently posted the
> list of Monroe 'Focus' frequencies?
> 
> I recently began programming them, but noticed that
> most of the left ear carriers were the lower
> frequencies; but toward the end of the e-mail, the
> calculated carriers for F3, F10, F12, and F15 all
> designate the higher carrier to the left channel. 
> The
> notation used in much of the document (e.g.,
> 400[3.9])
> inherently doesn't specify which carrier should be
> matched to which ear.  Is this notation standard at
> the Institute?
> 
> Has anyone else tried these yet?
> __________________________________________________
Hi Todd,
       Is it possible for you to send me the list. I'd
like to check them out. Also, does anyone know of
anywhere online that an eeg machine can be secured?
Most availabe machines acos close to three grand.
                                            Thanks,
                                                Dave.
                                       Dave.
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

--- D R <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Todd,
> Is it possible for you to send me the list.
> I'd like to check them out. Also, does anyone know
of
> anywhere online that an eeg machine can be secured?
> Most availabe machines acos close to three grand.
Dave,
The document you requested follows.  I edited the Cool
Edit instructions section in minor ways for
readability.
Concerning EEG equipment, there used to be a web
organization dedicated to providing people with the
necessary information to set up low-cost (under $500)
biofeedback stations using home computers, electrodes,
and some other gear--using free software.  I haven't
been able to find the URL lately, unfortunately; I
first discovered the site about a year and a half ago.
However, American Biofeedback's E2 model is a portable
EEG trainer which costs US$725, and can integrate with
portable tape/CD/MD/MP3/etc players.
E2 info page:
http://www.mindfitness.com/e2a.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wave I - Discovery
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tape 1 - Orientation (Focus 3)
Hemisync, Energy Conversion Box, Gateway Affirmation,
Resonant Tuning
l/r 300/304 plus 100 Hz and 500 Hz carriers without
recognizeable Delta
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tape 2 - Intro Focus 10
Focus 10, Ten Point Relaxation
100[4.0], 300[4.0], 500[4.0]
Tape 3 - Advanced Focus 10
Recall
Tape 4 - Release and Recharge (Focus 10)
Process of Energy Conversion - Daily Exercise!
l/r 100/104, 414/410, 504/500
Tape 5 - Exploration Sleep (Focus 10)
Remembering who and what you are, Rolling out,
Floating upwards
l/r 100/104, 300/304, 496/500
Tape 6 - Focus 10 Free Flow for your own purpose
l/r 100/104, 300/304, 500/504
C1: 308/322, 500/515
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wave II - Threshold
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tape 1 - Intro Focus 12
l/r 51/51.75, 98.75/101; Delta-Frq: 0.75 + 2.25 Hz
Tape 2 - Problem Solving (Focus 12)
l/r 99.5/101, 202.7/204.2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                   Focus Levels/Frequencies
F3   59[1.2]-110[1.3], 288[3.7]
F10  100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0]
F12  100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0],
400[10.0],
     500[10.1], 600[4.8]
F15  100[1.5], 200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0],
500[7.05],
     630[7.1], 750[7.0]
F21  200[4.0], 250[4.0], 300[4.0], 600[16.2],
750[15.9],
     900[16.2]
F22  Same as F21
F23  400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[3.9], 900[4.0]
F24  50[0.75], 400[3.9], 503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0],
     900[4.0]
F25  503[4.0], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F26  400[3.9], 503[4.2], 600[4.0], 750[4.0], 900[4.0]
F27  Same as F26
Example: The notation 503[4.2] should be understood to
  represent a beat frequency of 4.2 Hz between two
  carriers equally separated from 503 Hz (i.e., 500.9
  and 505.1 Hz).
Amplitudes are generally maintained about 20 dB above
background 1/f (pink) noise and/or surf.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 L  59.6, 110.65, 289.85
F3
 R  58.4, 109.35, 286.15
 L   100.75, 202, 252, 302
F10
 R   99.25, 198, 248, 298
 L   100.75, 202, 252, 302, 405,    505.05,   602.4
F12
 R   99.25, 198, 248, 298, 395,    494.95,   597.6
 L   100.75, 202, 252, 302, 503.525,  633.55,  753.5
F15
 R   99.25, 198, 248, 298,   496.475,   626.45,  
746.5
____Instructions for creating F10 using Cool Edit_____
1. Create a new file 16 bit stereo at 22050 saamples
2. Edit left channel:  Generate / Tones: 100.75 hz;
-30 db (sliding
    vertical bar on right); no modulation
4. Edit right channel: Generate / Tones:  99.25 hz. 
Volume should remain
    constant
5. Edit both channels: copy entire wave
6. Edit left channel: generate 202 hz tone
7. Edit right channel: generate 198 hz tone
8. Edit both channels: Edit / Select Entire Wave: Mix
Paste; then Copy
9. Edit left channel: generate 252 hz tone
10. Edit right channel: generate 248 hz tone
11. Edit both channels: Edit / Select Entire Wave; Mix
Paste; then Copy
12. Edit left channel:genereate tones, 302 hz
13. Edit right channel: generate 298 hz tone
14. Edit both channels: Edit / Select Entire Wave; Mix
Paste; Save as F1
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

Hey DR,
For a low cost EEG that runs on batteries and connects to the serial =
port of your computer and has free software go to=20
http://www.brainmaster.com they have such a device. You can build it =
yourself using instructions provided on site or you can buy the ready =
made unit for about $900. The unit uses a 68HC11 EVBU evaluation board =
as the interface between the EEG electronics and the computer. Hope this =
helps. The unit is called a Brainmaster EEG.
John M Hicks=20
[email protected]
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: D R=20
  To: [email protected]=20
  Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 4:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync
  Hi Todd,
         Is it possible for you to send me the list. I'd
  like to check them out. Also, does anyone know of
  anywhere online that an eeg machine can be secured?
  Most availabe machines acos close to three grand.
                                              Thanks,
                                                  Dave.
                                         Dave.

Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:56:02 +0200 (EET), you wrote:
>At 05:30 AM 2/22/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>
>>Generally, I make mental affirmations to myself. It seems a
>>prerecorded one could possibly be more effective, though.
>
>>From what I heard, prerecorded suggestions are more helpful.  The reason is
>that if you're in theta (the most suggestible state) and you start focusing
>on affirmations, the act of mental focusing and concentration tends to
>generate more beta and alpha, and decrease theta, thus defeating its own
>purpose.
>
That makes sense. Generally, in deep trances, the mind starts to get a
bit sluggish, making it hard to make the affirmations. I imagine it
helps to have a beta wave mixed in with the theta waves to keep the
mind alert while the body sleeps.
Anyone has any useful hypnotic presets?

Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

>I'm uploading trimmed, loopable copies of these files
>in the Waves section of MYSTX's brainwave archive:
>
>http://www.filesanywhere.com/
>login: mystx
>p/w: brainwave
Do you know if there is any software available to make subliminal
recordings masked in noise? And what is the technology behind these
things? Is this mojo or is there some basis to subliminal recordings?
Have there been any real tests done? I mean, hypnosis is basically a
science, it's been studied and documented for centuries, probably.

Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

At 04:42 AM 2/23/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Do you know if there is any software available to make subliminal
>recordings masked in noise?
You can use practically any .wav editing software to do this, as long as it
has a mix function that lets you mix together .wav files at particular
volumes.
I'll tell you one thing though - from personal experience, I've noticed no
positive benefits at all from subliminals.  I've tried using them to quit
smoking, to decrease anxiety, and a number of other things, and found them
to be completely ineffective every time.  No effect whatsoever.  Also, from
what I hear, research has not shown any benefits from subliminal recordings.
You'd probably be better off mixing in suggestions at low but audible volumes.
Tim
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Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

> Do you know if there is any software available to
> make subliminal
> recordings masked in noise? And what is the
> technology behind these
> things? Is this mojo or is there some basis to
> subliminal recordings?
> Have there been any real tests done? I mean,
> hypnosis is basically a
> science, it's been studied and documented for
> centuries, probably.
Ed,
Unfortunately, there is no available software that is
tailored for generating subliminal messages in the way
you describe, although you can buy very overpriced
hardware which will do this (e.g.,
http://www.lorelei.com/).  But strictly speaking, one
could record a macro in any major soundwave editing
software package that would normalize the volume to a
very low level (say, -50dB), and generate noise
overtop of it.  (In fact, sound files could be
batch-processed in this way.)  However, if the volume
is low enough that you can't make out the words, then
noise isn't even a vital addition, since the message
is still ducking the conscious mind... and therefore
all the left hemisphere's nay-saying. :)
You're right in your assumption that hypnosis is a
very old practice, but subliminal programming as we
know it followed the establishment of the
subsconscious mind and the concept of psychoanalysis. 
To answer your question: yes, a substantial amount of
research has been done regarding the efficacy of
subliminal messages.  A history and discussion of
subliminal programming, as well as descriptions of
some of the methods thereof, may be found at
http://www.innertalk.com/The_Innertalk_Difference.html
Hopefully the information and references there will
answer your questions regarding the legitimacy of
applied subliminal (re)programming, and what
subliminal messages can and cannot do.
Good health,
Todd
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

> 
> The document you requested follows.  I edited the
> Cool
> Edit instructions section in minor ways for
> readability.
> 
Hi Todd,
       Thanks. Have you tried any of these
frequencies?
There are a couple of these floating around. Thanks.
I'll check it out.
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EEG

>Also, the EEG is an *extremely* primitive technology.  They measure
>electrical impulses mostly on the very surface levels of the brain, but
>can't tell what's going on deeper.  The electrical activity in the brain is
>extremely weak, I believe on the order of microvolts.  So an EEG is really
>a very crude tool to measure what's happening in the brain.
>
>So my overall conclusion would be... impossible, using just auditory
>stimulation (unless some "magic frequency" is discovered that causes
>hallucinations, which seems unlikely).
>
Anyone tested with EEG during the brainwave session, what's happening EXACTLY in the brain ?
What is the most effective?  Try to focus to empty your mind... Try to focus on hearing the sound...
If you in meditative state, and starting to thinking about daily problems, how much get back to beta the brain (from 5-12) ?
Would be great to read about test with meditative states.
Best regards,
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

--- mystx <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey DR,
> 
> For a low cost EEG that runs on batteries and
> connects to the serial port of your computer and has
> free software go to 
> http://www.brainmaster.com they have such a device.
> You can build it yourself using instructions
> provided on site or you can buy the ready made unit
> for about $900. The unit uses a 68HC11 EVBU
> evaluation board as the interface between the EEG
> electronics and the computer. Hope this helps. The
> unit is called a Brainmaster EEG.
> 
>Hi John,
         Thanks for the info. I may have to get this
one if I don't find anything cheaper. $900. is an
awful lot, for me, to spend on private reseach right
now.
I already knew about brainmaster, if you discover
anything else, please let me know. You guys have been
very helpful, so let me tell you why I am searching
for the eeg machine. It's because an OBE is easy to
create once you know how you personally respond during
the onset of sleep. By monitoring your own reactions,
you can adjust whatever you're using as your sound
generator. Each person's physiology is different, so
having pinpoint accuracy of how you react will
eliminate the hit or miss aspect of inducing oBE's. If
anyone wants to collaborate on a venture as I
described, please let me know. Perhaps there are
alternatives to such an expensive eeg machine.
Possibly, build one on the computer, providing we can
acquire the correct program and know how to do so.
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

Dear List,
This may seem like a really weird question, but... why all the interest in
OBE's?  They don't seem very interesting to me.  It seems a lot more
interesting to figure out what it means to be *in* a body in the first
place (or, if I really am in a body at all).  Who is this "I" that can
supposedly travel out of the body?  What is it that is actually traveling,
and is it "traveling" at all?  Are there individual souls, or is there one
"Soul" (or "Oversoul") shared by everyone?
These questions seem a lot more interesting than inducing some sort of
temporary experience that don't create any understanding at all, just a
sort of temporary thrill.  I want to know the answers to the fundamental
questions of consciousness and couldn't care less for OBE's or other
so-called spiritual experiences.  What use are they going to be when I'm
lying on my deathbed?  How are they going to help lessen suffering?  What
do these things have to do with all the killing and torture going on in the
world, and am I living in my own self-centered world?
But I guess everyone's different :-)  I'm not knocking it, but it seems to
me that to have a deep, fundamental understanding of consciousness (through
meditation, contemplation, etc) is more important.  That's just an opinion,
so please, no attacks.  I'm not knocking things like OBE's, but it seems
that without an underlying understanding of what's happening, it's just
another thrill-ride without any genuine, lasting meaning.
Tim
At 07:37 PM 2/23/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>>Hi John,
>         Thanks for the info. I may have to get this
>one if I don't find anything cheaper. $900. is an
>awful lot, for me, to spend on private reseach right
>now.
>I already knew about brainmaster, if you discover
>anything else, please let me know. You guys have been
>very helpful, so let me tell you why I am searching
>for the eeg machine. It's because an OBE is easy to
>create once you know how you personally respond during
>the onset of sleep. By monitoring your own reactions,
>you can adjust whatever you're using as your sound
>generator. Each person's physiology is different, so
>having pinpoint accuracy of how you react will
>eliminate the hit or miss aspect of inducing oBE's. If
>anyone wants to collaborate on a venture as I
>described, please let me know. Perhaps there are
>alternatives to such an expensive eeg machine.
>Possibly, build one on the computer, providing we can
>acquire the correct program and know how to do so.
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RE: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

Tim,
No offense, but I see it completely differently. Such things as OBE's,
NDE's, etc., seem to me to be one of our best indicators that "we are more
than our physical bodies." The difficult part is determining whether these
things are just mental constructs of our physical brain, or an actual
awareness of a different state of existence--which we are able to teach
ourselves how to perceive.
Robert Monroe, if you read his three books, received many very interesting
bits of advice and instruction from entities in other existences. This alone
would be worth "traveling". Is the advice really from "other entities?"
That's the question, isn't it.
Darryl
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gerchmez [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 12:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync
Dear List,
This may seem like a really weird question, but... why all the interest in
OBE's?  They don't seem very interesting to me.  It seems a lot more
interesting to figure out what it means to be *in* a body in the first
place (or, if I really am in a body at all).  Who is this "I" that can
supposedly travel out of the body?  What is it that is actually traveling,
and is it "traveling" at all?  Are there individual souls, or is there one
"Soul" (or "Oversoul") shared by everyone?
These questions seem a lot more interesting than inducing some sort of
temporary experience that don't create any understanding at all, just a
sort of temporary thrill.  I want to know the answers to the fundamental
questions of consciousness and couldn't care less for OBE's or other
so-called spiritual experiences.  What use are they going to be when I'm
lying on my deathbed?  How are they going to help lessen suffering?  What
do these things have to do with all the killing and torture going on in the
world, and am I living in my own self-centered world?
But I guess everyone's different :-)  I'm not knocking it, but it seems to
me that to have a deep, fundamental understanding of consciousness (through
meditation, contemplation, etc) is more important.  That's just an opinion,
so please, no attacks.  I'm not knocking things like OBE's, but it seems
that without an underlying understanding of what's happening, it's just
another thrill-ride without any genuine, lasting meaning.
Tim
At 07:37 PM 2/23/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>>Hi John,
>         Thanks for the info. I may have to get this
>one if I don't find anything cheaper. $900. is an
>awful lot, for me, to spend on private reseach right
>now.
>I already knew about brainmaster, if you discover
>anything else, please let me know. You guys have been
>very helpful, so let me tell you why I am searching
>for the eeg machine. It's because an OBE is easy to
>create once you know how you personally respond during
>the onset of sleep. By monitoring your own reactions,
>you can adjust whatever you're using as your sound
>generator. Each person's physiology is different, so
>having pinpoint accuracy of how you react will
>eliminate the hit or miss aspect of inducing oBE's. If
>anyone wants to collaborate on a venture as I
>described, please let me know. Perhaps there are
>alternatives to such an expensive eeg machine.
>Possibly, build one on the computer, providing we can
>acquire the correct program and know how to do so.
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

To DR
Yes the cost of a brainmaster fully built unit is expensive but the guts =
of it is an evaluation board which costs around $US100 and you add about =
4 - 5 ic's and other components, a box, switch, battery clips, batteries =
and electrodes. The software is downloadable from brainmasters site free =
of charge. So if you can put one together yourself or know of anyone who =
can add to the experimenters section of the EVBU evaluation board then =
you can probably save yourself several hundred dollars. I have been =
meaning to get one constructed myself as I am definintely NOT going to =
pay $NZ1900 for it. The brainmaster 2e costs $950US. I am wanting one =
for boosting my ability to pay attention as I have an attentional and =
focusing disorder. My doctor will not prescribe ritalin so I am =
currently looking at alternative methods. I may have to seek funding to =
get a unit built locally then I can share it with others who have =
similar disorders in the region where I live.
John M Hicks
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: D R=20
  To: [email protected]=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 6:37 AM
  Subject: Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync
  --- mystx <[email protected]> wrote:
  > Hey DR,
  >=20
  > For a low cost EEG that runs on batteries and
  > connects to the serial port of your computer and has
  > free software go to=20
  > http://www.brainmaster.com they have such a device.
  > You can build it yourself using instructions
  > provided on site or you can buy the ready made unit
  > for about $900. The unit uses a 68HC11 EVBU
  > evaluation board as the interface between the EEG
  > electronics and the computer. Hope this helps. The
  > unit is called a Brainmaster EEG.
  >=20
  >Hi John,
           Thanks for the info. I may have to get this
  one if I don't find anything cheaper. $900. is an
  awful lot, for me, to spend on private reseach right
  now.
  I already knew about brainmaster, if you discover
  anything else, please let me know. You guys have been
  very helpful, so let me tell you why I am searching
  for the eeg machine. It's because an OBE is easy to
  create once you know how you personally respond during
  the onset of sleep. By monitoring your own reactions,
  you can adjust whatever you're using as your sound
  generator. Each person's physiology is different, so
  having pinpoint accuracy of how you react will
  eliminate the hit or miss aspect of inducing oBE's. If
  anyone wants to collaborate on a venture as I
  described, please let me know. Perhaps there are
  alternatives to such an expensive eeg machine.
  Possibly, build one on the computer, providing we can
  acquire the correct program and know how to do so.
                                          =20
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

Hey DR
Try the Waverider CEO at this address:- =
http://www.elixa.com/mental/ceo.htm It costs $545 and is one channel.
Cya
John M Hicks
[email protected]
  Hi John,
           Thanks for the info. I may have to get this
  one if I don't find anything cheaper. $900. is an
  awful lot, for me, to spend on private reseach right
  now.
  I already knew about brainmaster, if you discover
  anything else, please let me know. You guys have been
  very helpful. Perhaps there are
  alternatives to such an expensive eeg machine.
  Possibly, build one on the computer, providing we can
  acquire the correct program and know how to do so.
                                          =20
                                                  DR
                                            =20

Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

--- D R <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks. Have you tried any of these
> frequencies?
> There are a couple of these floating around. Thanks.
Yes, someone just posted it to the list a few days
ago.  I've tried a few of the sessions from the first
two Waves, and the one that's had the most dramatic
effects for me was Tape 5: "Exploration Sleep
(Remembering who and what you are, Rolling out,
Floating upwards)".  I donned the headphones before
turning in for the night.  The experience as I fell
asleep was rather unremarkable, but I woke up in the
middle of the night feeling rather confused.  I was
lying on my back, and opened my eyes.  My arms were
raised in front of me, and my hands were turned 
so that my palms were about eight inches from my face.
Only, I couldn't quite focus on my palms; in fact, I
seemed to have four palms, partially overlapping--as
though I were experiencing double vision.  After
witnessing this, I assume that I fell asleep again,
because I don't remember anything else.  I think I may
have lowered my arms directly afterward, however.
My view of lifeforms and what it means to be alive
changed dramatically after I had my first out-of-body
experiences... what a magnificent thing it is to exist!
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Re: Anyone use bwgen for hypnosis?

Ed
>I mean, hypnosis is basically a science,
>it's been studied and documented for
>centuries, probably.
Hardly.
Mesmer and others used a very primitive form of suggestion/hypnosis back in 
the 18th century, but hypnosis as we know it today hardly goes back beyond 
the turn of the 20th century.  Indeed, 'permissive' hypnosis and brief 
therapy are mainly post World War II developments.
All that happens in hypnosis, of any kind, is that the subject's field of 
attention becomes more and more focused until all that they are really 
attending to is a particular sound.  There is no single method which works 
with everyone, or which is guaranteed to work every time. So not much there 
to get scientific about.  More like an art.
Regards
Andy B.

Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

<snip>
> My view of lifeforms and what it means to be alive
> changed dramatically after I had my first
> out-of-body
> experiences... what a magnificent thing it is to
> exist!
Oops, I didn't mean to imply that this was an OBE..
although I have been wondering about it.  My first
definitive OBEs occurred around last July, and I
haven't had any experiences like those since then. :(
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RE: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

Hi,
I think that obe's are an exciting interesting thing to experience and
ponder, but they are I think a trivial part of the process on the path of
initiation or entry into the spiritual world. In saying trivial I don't mean
insignificant, I love them but if they were my purpose I would be indulging
in lust ( I already have many predispositions in the area of lust). I would
love to turn on a machine and experience whatever I was lusting after , it's
probably why I am here with you all, but in another way I am glad I have to
do something myself for my development. Imagine if we could just turn on a
machine and achieve sainthood, something in my personal laziness likes this
thought very much, but if I did reach exulted spiritual states with out any
effort I wouldn't know inwardly how I got there and therefore couldn't
really progress any further until the programmer wrote the next version. If
this was the way of the world all individual progress and spiritual
development would be in the hands of a few. Our own laziness and lust could
be the destruction of the progress of earthly development. Let us keep
exploring.
Paul Marlow
Inala Rudolf Steiner School for Curative Education
PO Box 122  CHERRYBROOK
NSW   2126
Australia
Ph. (02) 9680 1000
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Tim Gerchmez
> Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2000 5:29
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync
>
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> This may seem like a really weird question, but... why all the interest in
> OBE's?  They don't seem very interesting to me.  It seems a lot more
> interesting to figure out what it means to be *in* a body in the first
> place (or, if I really am in a body at all).  Who is this "I" that can
> supposedly travel out of the body?  What is it that is actually traveling,
> and is it "traveling" at all?  Are there individual souls, or is there one
> "Soul" (or "Oversoul") shared by everyone?
>
> These questions seem a lot more interesting than inducing some sort of
> temporary experience that don't create any understanding at all, just a
> sort of temporary thrill.  I want to know the answers to the fundamental
> questions of consciousness and couldn't care less for OBE's or other
> so-called spiritual experiences.  What use are they going to be when I'm
> lying on my deathbed?  How are they going to help lessen suffering?  What
> do these things have to do with all the killing and torture going
> on in the
> world, and am I living in my own self-centered world?
>
> But I guess everyone's different :-)  I'm not knocking it, but it seems to
> me that to have a deep, fundamental understanding of
> consciousness (through
> meditation, contemplation, etc) is more important.  That's just
> an opinion,
> so please, no attacks.  I'm not knocking things like OBE's, but it seems
> that without an underlying understanding of what's happening, it's just
> another thrill-ride without any genuine, lasting meaning.
>
> Tim
>
> At 07:37 PM 2/23/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >>Hi John,
> >         Thanks for the info. I may have to get this
> >one if I don't find anything cheaper. $900. is an
> >awful lot, for me, to spend on private reseach right
> >now.
> >I already knew about brainmaster, if you discover
> >anything else, please let me know. You guys have been
> >very helpful, so let me tell you why I am searching
> >for the eeg machine. It's because an OBE is easy to
> >create once you know how you personally respond during
> >the onset of sleep. By monitoring your own reactions,
> >you can adjust whatever you're using as your sound
> >generator. Each person's physiology is different, so
> >having pinpoint accuracy of how you react will
> >eliminate the hit or miss aspect of inducing oBE's. If
> >anyone wants to collaborate on a venture as I
> >described, please let me know. Perhaps there are
> >alternatives to such an expensive eeg machine.
> >Possibly, build one on the computer, providing we can
> >acquire the correct program and know how to do so.
>
>
> -----
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>
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> Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics.
> Tim's other pages are at http://core.vdirect.net
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

Greetings Todd,
              Thanks for everything. If I could
trouble you for one thing more. I have a trial version
of cool-edit do you have a step by step procedure for
actually creating the necessary files? I understand
the  information that you sent, but I am a novice at
using cool edit.
  Is it possible to talk me through at least the
creation of the F27 file. I can extrapolate from that,
the procedure for creating the others. 
  I've been involved with consciousness research for
the last 21 years, and I am way past the philosophical
debate that certain beliefs generate. If you can
further help, then I am grateful, and in return I can
share certain findings of my own research if you're
interested. If not, thanks anyway. You've already been
of great help.
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

--- mystx <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey DR
> 
> Try the Waverider CEO at this address:-
> http://www.elixa.com/mental/ceo.htm It costs $545
> and is one channel.
> 
> Cya
> 
> John M Hicks
> [email protected]
> 
> 
>   Hi John,
>            Thanks for the info. 
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Please repost the Hemisync Frequencies

I was wondering if whoever had posted all the various hemi-sync could repost 
them.  I had hard drive failure and lost the document I had saved them on.
Thanks in Advance,
Chris

Re: Please repost the Hemisync Frequencies

Hi,
> I was wondering if whoever had posted all the various hemi-sync could repost 
> them.  I had hard drive failure and lost the document I had saved them on.
Please don't repost. All mails sent to the list can be found from the
archive at http://www.bwgen.com/list. With little digging, you should
be able to find this list from there as well.
-- 
Mikko Noromaa ([email protected])
Noromaa Solutions - see http://www.bwgen.com

Re: EEG machines

On the other forum that I am on I have asked the question of EEG machines
and if there are any cost effective ones around.
The feedback from a neurologist said that expenvive and messy was the key in
acuracy.  She explained that the cheaper machines measure brian scalp
muscle.
I am looking to get brainwave feedback in a counselling session, while
clients use freeze frame in the heart techniques, releasing techniques and
their response to the delivery of sound through various means like a
sub-woofer, tone box, tuning forks etc.
Any suggestions guys as you bunch seem to have a handle on this stuff???
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From: D R <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync
>
> Greetings Todd,
>               Thanks for everything. If I could
> trouble you for one thing more. I have a trial version
> of cool-edit do you have a step by step procedure for
> actually creating the necessary files? I understand
> the  information that you sent, but I am a novice at
> using cool edit.
>   Is it possible to talk me through at least the
> creation of the F27 file. I can extrapolate from that,
> the procedure for creating the others.
>   I've been involved with consciousness research for
> the last 21 years, and I am way past the philosophical
> debate that certain beliefs generate. If you can
> further help, then I am grateful, and in return I can
> share certain findings of my own research if you're
> interested. If not, thanks anyway. You've already been
> of great help.
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: EEG machines

       EEG Machines:  The neurologist gave a very misdirected statement -
the cheaper(and any other EEG machine) machines measure electrical
activity!! both EEG and EMG are just different measures of electrical
activity - and artifact from the scalp muscles will show up on the
display(it's called EMG) because of its large amplitude proportion to
brainwaves (EEG).  All EEG machines will do this.  Some better than others.
If you're not worried about clinical specs, get a waverider or brainmaster.
The best and easiest clinical system but also the bulkiest and least
portable is EEG Spectrum's system.  If you want a great system that does it
all with laptop portability, get a procomp!  I have all of the ones listed
below so if you have specific questions, just ask.
Professional series:  EEG Spectrum $5k to $7k
                      Procomp:    $4k loaded (sans computer)
                      Lexicor:  $1200 -(sans computer) runs only in DOS -
                                not friendly with new computers or win98
                      Autogenic Systems A620 - $3500
                      Bio Integrator - $6800
Others:
    Waverider: $1200 - $1495
    Brainmaster: ~$1000 (you can get used ones cheaper of course)
If you want to do some clinical HRV training get the Heart Scanner/Heart
Tracker - Freeze frame won't cut it for clinincal training or monitoring.
Drew
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>From: Me Myself and I <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: EEG machines
>Date: Mon, Feb 28, 2000, 2:20 PM
>
> On the other forum that I am on I have asked the question of EEG machines
> and if there are any cost effective ones around.
> The feedback from a neurologist said that expenvive and messy was the key in
> acuracy.  She explained that the cheaper machines measure brian scalp
> muscle.
>
> I am looking to get brainwave feedback in a counselling session, while
> clients use freeze frame in the heart techniques, releasing techniques and
> their response to the delivery of sound through various means like a
> sub-woofer, tone box, tuning forks etc.
>
> Any suggestions guys as you bunch seem to have a handle on this stuff???
> -----------------------------------------------------

Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

--- D R <[email protected]> wrote:
>   Is it possible to talk me through at least the
> creation of the F27 file. I can extrapolate from
> that, the procedure for creating the others.
<snip>
>   I've been involved with consciousness research for
> the last 21 years, and I am way past the
> philosophical debate that certain beliefs generate.
> If you can further help, then I am grateful, and in
> return I can share certain findings of my own
> research if you're interested. If not, thanks
Dave,
I would love to hear your research results.  I
actually did write the tutorial you requested, but
when I was literally moments from finishing it, my
browser glitched, and I lost my work. :( 
Unfortunately, I simply don't have time to rewrite the
tutorial, but it's actually not a big loss.  The
reason is that the much-anticipated BrainWave
Generator 3.0x will supports decimal accuracy to the
thousandths decimal place for binaural beats, and is
accurate to the 0.001Hz for carrier frequencies. 
Although a few of the Hemi-Sync carriers are values
significant to the 1/1000 of a Hertz, I don't think
rounding the carriers to the nearest hundredth will
prove all that critical.  I've already programmed all
of the Hemi-Sync sessions in the document as bwgen3
presets, and I'll make them publicly available on
Mystx's filesanywhere.com archive soon.
cheers,
Todd
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

If anyone is interested in doing a hemi-sync training weekend in Ft.
Lauderdale, FL...there is a trainer here doing one this weekend and one
again in April.  I did this several months ago and had some very interesting
experiences...contact me and I'll give you the information.
--rada
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Near Death Experience, OOBE and automatic back up...

Hello Todd,
If you are using Word, in the Preferences, you can set up an
automatic backup every 5 or 10 minutes, as you like. Or do
sometimes a Ctrl F12 that saves it all. That becomes an
habit and saves a lot of time.
If you are interested in a Near Death Experience provoking
an OOBE, you can read 'The Gopher's Death' at :
http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/Gopher_s_Death/gopher_s_death.html
I now use a brainwave generator to help raise my Kunalini
(tentatively). But that is another story.
Greetings from France,
Froggy Jacques
-- 
Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven
http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/Kundalini/kundalini.html
http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

geez alright sorry for this in advance, but could someone please repost the 
different login and passwords for the filesanywhere.com things we got going?  
I can't find the txt file I saved it to, and crappy AOL mail deletes all my 
old stuff =(
Thanks,
Ronald

Brainwaves and Kudalini

Hello Todd and the list,
The user's manual was messed up ? Too bad !
If you are using Word, in the Preferences, you can set up an
automatic backup every 5 or 10 minutes, as you like. Or do
sometimes a Ctrl F12 that saves it all. That becomes an
habit and saves a lot of time.
If you are interested in a Near Death Experience provoking
an OOBE, you can read 'The Gopher's Death' at :
http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/Gopher_s_Death/gopher_s_death.html
I now use a brainwave generator to help raise my Kunalini
(tentatively). But that is another story. If anyone is
interested, I'll share. I bought my brain machine on eBay
and I am pretty satisfied with the results.
Greetings from France,
Froggy Jacques
-- 
Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven
http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/Kundalini/kundalini.html
http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/
Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven

Mystx's archive closed down?

I just visited filesanywhere.com to upload my 17
Hemi-Sync presets to the archive, and was greeted with
an alert box which read: "This Account has been
disabled."
Mystx: did you opt to remove the account for some
reason, or did filesanywhere.com close it arbitrarily?
Disappointing... but, I have some web space, so I'll
try to find time to put together a new archive.  This
would be better anyway, since no one would have to log
in, and downloading would be easier and more
versatile.
I've had a vision for some time of a consummate web
resource for people interested in brainwave
entrainment via light/sound, and/or EEG research, so
maybe this is just the first step (and the impetus I
needed).
best wishes,
Todd
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Re: BrainWave Generator version 3.0

so far i think that it is awsome but i cannot use the old imports but i can 
with the older version why?
-dragon

Re: Brainwaves and Kudalini

i would like to know how you do that i am very interested 
-dragon

Re: Mystx's archive closed down?

i also wanted to know what is sup with that
-dragon

Downloading presets

Hello,
If you dont have time, I can put it on my site for download
for a while.
You'd have it available one hour later.
Just send me the zip and hop.
Froggy Jacques
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http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/
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Re: Mystx's archive closed down?

--- Todd Moody <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just visited filesanywhere.com to upload my 17
> Hemi-Sync presets to the archive, and was greeted
> with
> an alert box which read: "This Account has been
> disabled."
> 
>
Hi Todd,
       Is it possible that the files were deleted
because someone felt that they were in violation of
either copyright or trademark laws? And are these the
same presets that you sent a few days ago?
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Re: Monroe/Hemi-Sync

> Dave,
> 
> I would love to hear your research results.  I
> actually did write the tutorial you requested, but
> when I was literally moments from finishing it, my
> browser glitched, and I lost my work. :( 
> Unfortunately, I simply don't have time to rewrite
> the
> tutorial, but it's actually not a big loss. 
Thanks Todd,
            I figured it out. I'm in the process of
putting all of my research together, I'll keep you
informed.
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Re: EEG machines

 I have
> all of the ones listed
> below so if you have specific questions, just ask.
> 
> Professional series:  EEG Spectrum $5k to $7k
>                       Procomp:    $4k loaded (sans
> computer)
>                       Lexicor:  $1200 -(sans
> computer) runs only in DOS -
>                                 not friendly with
> new computers or win98
>                       Autogenic Systems A620 - $3500
>                       Bio Integrator - $6800
> Others:
> 
>     Waverider: $1200 - $1495
>     Brainmaster: ~$1000 (you can get used ones
> cheaper of course)
> 
> If you want to do some clinical HRV training get the
> Heart Scanner/Heart
> Tracker - Freeze frame won't cut it for clinincal
> training or monitoring.
> 
> Drew
Hi Drew,
       Did I misunderstand your statement. Did you
mean that you actually have all of these systems on
your Personal computer? If so, which one would you
recommend as the best. Best in terms of simplicity of
operation, accuracy and graphical display, simple to
interface with (headband or whatever), and cost
effective in terms of additional "do hickeys" to make
the thing work?
Thanks,
DR   
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Jacques/Re: Downloading presets

Hey Jacques,
I really like your web pages... more in English would be nice for those of
us who don't speak french ;-)... but it looks like you have some good pages.
Here's a haiku for you -
An old pond
A frog jumped in
Plop.
Cheers,
Tim
At 08:24 PM 2/29/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>If you dont have time, I can put it on my site for download
>for a while.
>
>You'd have it available one hour later.
>
>Just send me the zip and hop.
>
>Froggy Jacques
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Re: Mystx's archive closed down?

--- D R <[email protected]> wrote:
>        Is it possible that the files were deleted
> because someone felt that they were in violation of
> either copyright or trademark laws? And are these
> the
> same presets that you sent a few days ago?
That was my theory... and yes, the bwgen 3.0 presets
were derived from the same document, which is why I'm
choosing not to rewrite the tutorial.  However,
if/when I develop a website centering on all these
fascinating topics, I'll be sure to include a how-to
covering Cool Edit.
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Re: Mystx's archive closed down?

Hi List
It was the first I heard of my archive being closed down. I just went =
there to double check and I can't get in. I think I'll have to send an =
email to the company to find out what's up. Possibly that I shared my =
password around that they don't like and there were too many hits to it. =
I'll get back to you with the reply.
Mystx
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  i also wanted to know what is sup with that
  -dragon
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Re: Mystx's archive closed down?

please take me off of this list

Re: EEG machines

DR,
Yes - I do have each of them (yep, I know, a tech junkie) and use them all
at some time or the other at my clinic.  In my own humble opinion, I would
recommend the procomp because of its clinical accuracy, portability,
diversity - eeg,emg,temp,ppg,gsr and a great user interface.  Then get Val
Brown's protocols with it....
Also, next month, MIDI driven light stim glasses will be coming out to use
with the waverider and brainmaster from photosonix - all you need is the
midi/game port on your computer and you will have eeg driven light stim.  I
wonder if the brainwave generator would be able to drive them (does it have
MIDI out)?  I will have to look at the software tonight and play around with
it...
Drew
----------
>From: D R <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: EEG machines
>Date: Tue, Feb 29, 2000, 11:19 AM
>
>
>  I have
>> all of the ones listed
>> below so if you have specific questions, just ask.
>>
>> Professional series:  EEG Spectrum $5k to $7k
>>                       Procomp:    $4k loaded (sans
>> computer)
>>                       Lexicor:  $1200 -(sans
>> computer) runs only in DOS -
>>                                 not friendly with
>> new computers or win98
>>                       Autogenic Systems A620 - $3500
>>                       Bio Integrator - $6800
>> Others:
>>
>>     Waverider: $1200 - $1495
>>     Brainmaster: ~$1000 (you can get used ones
>> cheaper of course)
>>
>> If you want to do some clinical HRV training get the
>> Heart Scanner/Heart
>> Tracker - Freeze frame won't cut it for clinincal
>> training or monitoring.
>>
>> Drew
>
> Hi Drew,
>        Did I misunderstand your statement. Did you
> mean that you actually have all of these systems on
> your Personal computer? If so, which one would you
> recommend as the best. Best in terms of simplicity of
> operation, accuracy and graphical display, simple to
> interface with (headband or whatever), and cost
> effective in terms of additional "do hickeys" to make
> the thing work?
>
> Thanks,
> DR
>
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